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Geri O'Neil

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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #180 on: January 11, 2013, 01:12:04 pm »

Geri, Geri, Geri...  any audiophool will tell you, using that Peavey interface in your signal path will discredit any serious listening test... That Meridian based design will slow down the digital audio to a southern drawl...  8)

But I am not an audiophool so rock on....  ;D

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Hell, I was pointed to that thing by a participant here!...:o))

Now, if you ("you", being the general population, not anyone in particular) want to actually hear an audible difference in audio quality, A/B the output of this thing (ahh, hell, why not look it up, where is that briefcase? Ahh, here it is, the Peavey USB-P) with the headphone output jack of a notebook (well, mine, anyway). You can hear a difference there.

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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #181 on: January 11, 2013, 02:04:25 pm »

Hell, I was pointed to that thing by a participant here!...:o))

Now, if you want to actually hear an audible difference in audio quality, A/B the output of this thing (ahh, hell, why not look it up, where is that briefcase? Ahh, here it is, the Peavey USB-P) with the headphone output jack of a notebook (well, mine, anyway). You can hear a difference there.

Geri O

Yup, that just points out the difficulty in trying to parse out minor qualitative differences  when the path is populated by weak links all around.

no worries.

JR
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #182 on: January 11, 2013, 04:43:52 pm »

Facts remain that any and every console can have a "soul" of it's own. Also a fact that every component attached to it can change the final output, not to mention operator taste (or non taste), etc. when tuning the system. So in my book Geri's test is valid, so come on old man. Poney up and let us know how you feel.

One last question though. When I tell people my APB is one of the best sounding analog boards on the face of the planet, everyone agree's. So in light of that does this all boil down to only analog boards sounding different, and all digital boards sound the same?? I don't think so, but what do I know at my age.
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #183 on: January 11, 2013, 06:27:52 pm »

This thread is about subtle, yet noticeable differences - not about differences so drastic that "Brand Y" is unusable. 

Yes there are differences, yes many can and have heard them, no it's not a big deal other than online banter and personal preference. 
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #184 on: January 11, 2013, 07:02:57 pm »

Well Mr. Roberts, I kind of accidentally had to A/B test a Peavey VSX-26 Loudspeaker system controller when the club's dbx DR260 died in the sound check time and I was really impressed by the resources available in the Peavey fixture like All Pass filters and Signal Generator options (Pink, White & Sine). Using this VSX replacement with the same preset for a KF695z turned the overall sound into another system. As I couldn't check if the KF695z preset on the DR260 was the suggested by the manufacturer (dbx's LCD screen was blank and no sound came from it) and never modified/tweaked, I think it's not fair to speak in details about the differences but I honestly have to admit that it was a great improvement in the system's performance just by replacing the DSP.  ::)

But the Club's owner though a Peavey component was not professional gear to be proud of and replaced the VSX-26 in the next week with a new DR480. I never went back to that Club but the local system operator whom I talked to some weeks later said then that he perceived a better sound when the Peavey device was installed.


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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #185 on: January 11, 2013, 08:26:37 pm »

Well Mr. Roberts, I kind of accidentally had to A/B test a Peavey VSX-26 Loudspeaker system controller when the club's dbx DR260 died in the sound check time and I was really impressed by the resources available in the Peavey fixture like All Pass filters and Signal Generator options (Pink, White & Sine). Using this VSX replacement with the same preset for a KF695z turned the overall sound into another system. As I couldn't check if the KF695z preset on the DR260 was the suggested by the manufacturer (dbx's LCD screen was blank and no sound came from it) and never modified/tweaked, I think it's not fair to speak in details about the differences but I honestly have to admit that it was a great improvement in the system's performance just by replacing the DSP.  ::)

But the Club's owner though a Peavey component was not professional gear to be proud of and replaced the VSX-26 in the next week with a new DR480. I never went back to that Club but the local system operator whom I talked to some weeks later said then that he perceived a better sound when the Peavey device was installed.

I have no idea about the VSX it was after my time, but just to keep the apples with apples and oranges with oranges, a loudspeaker controller that contains complex filters and EQ, is designed to alter the sound so not much like a console that is supposed to slice and dice but not change the sound.

@Bob , everybody knows that APB uses magic so the output sounds exactly like the input only better... (it has to be magic, because sounding exactly the same as the input would sound just like the input. )

JR
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #186 on: January 11, 2013, 11:14:59 pm »

Mr O'Neil, have you tried to A/B the PM5D switching its Word Clock from 96kHz to 48kHz?

I've never done the test but it's interesting how many comments I've heard about using an external 48kHz Word Clock source on the M7CL and how different it sounds then. Subjective? Noticeable but unmeasurable?

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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #187 on: January 11, 2013, 11:21:07 pm »

Mr O'Neil, have you tried to A/B the PM5D switching its Word Clock from 96kHz to 48kHz?

I have. Could not hear any difference. But maybe that was just because of our shitty EAW speakers and all the HVAC noise in the room too.
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #188 on: January 12, 2013, 03:20:14 am »

Mr O'Neil, have you tried to A/B the PM5D switching its Word Clock from 96kHz to 48kHz?

I've never done the test but it's interesting how many comments I've heard about using an external 48kHz Word Clock source on the M7CL and how different it sounds then. Subjective? Noticeable but unmeasurable?

 :D

My little story... provided M7 for national act in casino show.  FOH mixerperson has external clock to patch, and extolls the audible virtues of this method.  Unit connected and I hit "play" on on the CD machine.  He goes on about how much more open and warm it sounds.  At length, he goes on.  Finally I point out that the clock source had yet to be changed on the desk.  It was on the internal clock.

He fooled himself.  I had to go for coffee to prolong the delicious irony. :)
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #189 on: January 12, 2013, 08:00:40 am »

My little story... provided M7 for national act in casino show.  FOH mixerperson has external clock to patch, and extolls the audible virtues of this method.  Unit connected and I hit "play" on on the CD machine.  He goes on about how much more open and warm it sounds.  At length, he goes on.  Finally I point out that the clock source had yet to be changed on the desk.  It was on the internal clock.

He fooled himself.  I had to go for coffee to prolong the delicious irony. :)
But perhaps that is also the point, what matters is what people perceive and thus you introduce that huge variable of the receiver being a human with all the related foibles and prejudices.  If someone 'hears' a difference then that is a real factor regardless of whether others share that perception or if it can be measured, but what many seem to forget is that unless it is a perception shared by most others then it is also purely a personal opinion and nothing more.
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