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brian maddox

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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #210 on: February 06, 2013, 02:18:59 pm »

Real mixing consoles use XLR connectors for primary in/outputs.   ;D
I'm not sure how the connector density is of significance.  There appeared to be ample room to afford the two or three extra rack spaces required for XLR connectors.  Not a huge deal, just a surprise.  I had to dig deep in the shop to find the required xlr to phone patch cable count as we had three Venues in play that night between two shows and at least one was almost maxed out with feeds to and from video, CD deck, iPod, house records, press mults, yadda, yadda, yadda.

i of course, being a longtime Yamaha User like yourself, agree with you.  but this is a reflection of one of the big historical design differences between the Yamaha desks and most of the british boards.  Yamaha standardized on XLR a very long time ago as the input/output connector of choice, regardless of mic or line level signals, and only used TRS for insert points.  British desks have long used TRS for line level inputs and XLR for mic inputs, and often a mixture of the two for outputs.

So, if you've been a heavy Yamaha user, you associate TRS inputs with Mackie/MI mixers.  if you're a long-time Soundcraft/Midas/etc. user, you don't.  No right or wrong.  just a thing that is.  This one goes right alongside the Channel On/Off versus Channel Mute thing.  Us Yammie guys will always prefer the former, while others will always see the logic of the latter.

of course, we're right and they're wrong.  but i digress.... :)
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #211 on: February 06, 2013, 03:25:11 pm »

Between TRS and XLR it IS a matter of right and wrong. XLR is right, TRS is wrong. Think about it; There is ALWAYS problems with TRS/phone jack. Call to the stand: Headphone- and guitar cables. I rest my case.
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #212 on: February 06, 2013, 05:42:37 pm »

Between TRS and XLR it IS a matter of right and wrong. XLR is right, TRS is wrong. Think about it; There is ALWAYS problems with TRS/phone jack. Call to the stand: Headphone- and guitar cables. I rest my case.

i agree with you.  i was just trying to be nice...  :)

back in my sound co. days, many pieces of equipment that were an excellent value were not purchased solely based on the lack of XLR connectors on them.  One, because it just wasn't 'Pro'.  and two, because everything in the shop was standardized to XLR and adapters suck....
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #213 on: February 07, 2013, 06:20:34 am »

Just finished a show with a touring act that specified a 5D at FOH and a Venue at monitors.  Our monitor guy was not up on the Profile but he worked hard to get up to speed to handle the opening acts.  Headline crew arrives and the monitor guy turns out to be their usual FOH guy and he had never used a Venue before and didn't have the show on a stick from the regular monitor engineer.  The FOH guy was strictly analog and had never used a 5D before. It was a long night.   ::)


I think if I saw a 5D at FOH and a Venue in monitor world I'd think someone got the desks placed wrong... ;)
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #214 on: February 07, 2013, 06:27:54 am »

I think if I saw a 5D at FOH and a Venue in monitor world I'd think someone got the desks placed wrong... ;)
I've seen that combo several times.
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #215 on: February 07, 2013, 06:32:37 am »

I've seen that combo several times.

I've seen it plenty... It just is not something I'd do for myself...
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #216 on: February 07, 2013, 08:12:44 am »

i of course, being a longtime Yamaha User like yourself, agree with you.  but this is a reflection of one of the big historical design differences between the Yamaha desks and most of the british boards.  Yamaha standardized on XLR a very long time ago as the input/output connector of choice, regardless of mic or line level signals, and only used TRS for insert points.  British desks have long used TRS for line level inputs and XLR for mic inputs, and often a mixture of the two for outputs.

So, if you've been a heavy Yamaha user, you associate TRS inputs with Mackie/MI mixers.  if you're a long-time Soundcraft/Midas/etc. user, you don't.  No right or wrong.  just a thing that is.  This one goes right alongside the Channel On/Off versus Channel Mute thing.  Us Yammie guys will always prefer the former, while others will always see the logic of the latter.

of course, we're right and they're wrong.  but i digress.... :)

Actually, Yamaha's choice of connector type for various purposes is not as black-or-white, nor as consistent, as you might think (even accross several models in the same range):

DM 2000:
http://vintageking.com/media/catalog/product/y/a/yamaha_dm2000vcm_2.jpg

DM 1000:
http://www.futurestyle.org/archives/images/y/yamaha/dm1000rear.jpg

02r96:
http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/gallery/64477_g7.jpg

01v96:
http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/yamaha-01v96-v2-439727.jpg
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Re: Why no love for the 'sound' of Yamaha digital consoles?
« Reply #217 on: February 07, 2013, 05:34:06 pm »

Actually, Yamaha's choice of connector type for various purposes is not as black-or-white, nor as consistent, as you might think (even accross several models in the same range):

DM 2000:
http://vintageking.com/media/catalog/product/y/a/yamaha_dm2000vcm_2.jpg

DM 1000:
http://www.futurestyle.org/archives/images/y/yamaha/dm1000rear.jpg

02r96:
http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/gallery/64477_g7.jpg

01v96:
http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/yamaha-01v96-v2-439727.jpg

i was referring to the PM desks, going all the way back to the PM1000.  so pretty much all the Yamaha Pro-level Live Consoles.  i agree that once you get into the post-production and lower end desks, the standard changes significantly.
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