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David Buckley

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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2012, 04:57:02 am »

Sometimes people don't know they're loud unless there's distortion to give them "proof".

I'd go further and argue that loud = distortion is a natural (or probably more accurately, learned) expectation.  I'm sure I'm not the first mix man to insert a guitar preamp on the vocal channel, and now that guitar modelling is becoming commonplace in digital mixer effects, it'll probably end up quite common.

Anyway, clipping is (extreme) compression, so my approach would be to compress first, and guitar amp modelling second, to act as a hard limiter.

Or you could just let the mic pre clip.  Some pres sound obnoxious in clip, some ok, so a suck and see...
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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2012, 01:02:54 pm »

Well, the conference is over now, and I think I did OK. I ended up using the procedure I described in the first post, with the exception of makeup gain--I didn't have any on either comp.

I still had to adjust the fader, but not nearly as much as before. I also still had to bump the gain on occasion, but just for a couple of the quietest speakers. The compressors handled the screaming well enough for me, although the peaks sounded kind of grungy. I'm not sure if that was due to the compression or the fact that the wireless was clipping. My guess is that it was a combination, because sometimes there was distortion before the clip light came on.

Overall I was happy with the result, and I didn't get any complaints, so I guess that means they were happy, too! Thanks for all the input!
I did a “gospel” show where one of the women singers (I don’t remember the name but I was told she was very famous) sounded distorted. This was on a hard-wired SM58 and nothing was clipping anywhere. It turns out that is how her voice sounds. She gets loud she gets raspy. 

I like to use serial compression when I have someone I need it for and I have a setup that can do that. It is almost more like compression and then almost limiting. I have wanted to try dynamic EQ because most of the time I feel I need it is on someone that is too accentuated in a certain frequency range when they really push it.

The type of speakers (presenters) that you are talking about it is part of the act so you have to be careful you give them the range they think they need while still keeping it under control. Which is sounds like you did successfully. 
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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2012, 01:17:41 pm »

I have wanted to try dynamic EQ because most of the time I feel I need it is on someone that is too accentuated in a certain frequency range when they really push it.

The TCE Triple-C multi-band comps have an "envelope mode" which allows you to design the processing in interesting ways.  Too bad they're not made anymore.....
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Steven Welwood

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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2012, 11:57:47 am »

Quote from: Patrick Tracy
Sometimes people don't know they're loud unless there's distortion to give them "proof".

Quote from: David Buckley
I'd go further and argue that loud = distortion is a natural (or probably more accurately, learned) expectation. 

Unfortunately have to agree with both statements.

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I did a “gospel” show where one of the women singers (I don’t remember the name but I was told she was very famous) sounded distorted. This was on a hard-wired SM58 and nothing was clipping anywhere. It turns out that is how her voice sounds.

Wow. Built-in distortion. That's a new one on me.


An aside about the speakers at this type of event: While I totally understand the feelings of cynicism that can arise while watching and listening to some of these speakers, and without denying that there are definitely some show-men/women out there, I try very hard not to judge them solely on their "presentation." After spending 5 days with these people, some of whom I have spent time with or worked with in the past, I can say with certainty that they are genuine, caring people and totally sincere in and passionate about what they are preaching. I simply don't care for their style of delivery. Some of the quietest presenters spoke just as powerfully, or more so, without the assault on my ears. Also, when they're so quiet, it seems to hold the congregation's attention better, because they have to actually focus to hear him.
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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 12:44:27 pm »

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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2012, 12:57:29 am »

I found this interesting, and it may have some bearing on this thread:  http://shure.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/75/~/can-a-dynamic-microphone-handle-really-loud-sounds%3F-%28maximum-spl%29

As I re-read my posts, I notice that I never actually specified what was clipping. The speakers' mic was a Shure PGX wireless, and the clip light I mentioned was on its receiver.
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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2012, 08:42:29 am »

As I re-read my posts, I notice that I never actually specified what was clipping. The speakers' mic was a Shure PGX wireless, and the clip light I mentioned was on its receiver.

As PGX units don't make good doorstops I don't know a good use for them.
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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2012, 01:02:43 pm »

The TCE Triple-C multi-band comps have an "envelope mode" which allows you to design the processing in interesting ways.  Too bad they're not made anymore.....
Slight topic-swerve,
Does anyone make a multiband comp anymore? (that's not a software plug-in).  Even the DPR901 is gone now.
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Serial Compression
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2012, 03:04:09 pm »

As PGX units don't make good doorstops I don't know a good use for them.

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Re: Serial Compression
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2012, 02:40:03 pm »

As PGX units don't make good doorstops I don't know a good use for them.
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I was told last-minute that the house wireless I had intended to use was not available. PGX was the best thing the store had left in rental stock. (I also took their last PG as a backup.)
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