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Lee Buckalew

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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2012, 12:43:51 am »

I tried flipping the phase switch on the kick channel, no change. Same with the bass channel. I did notice that when monitoring the kick that it sounds really thin and wimpy, no "oomph" to it at all. Probably explains why I couldn't hear it very well in the recording.

The recordings are 24bit, 48KHz wave files.

When I played the recordings back, I was listening through headphones.

Then go back to Jay's comment and check how hot your subs are.  I am betting he's correct and that when you monitor the output of your console via headphones you will find that you have little bass there as well.

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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 12:55:51 am »

Often, subs are run 6-12-ish dB hotter than the mains. This is usually done via DSP or some other method "downstream" of the console. Hence, signals as they leave the console, whether to DSP or to recording, are 6-12-ish dB low.

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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 01:30:51 am »

I don't think the microphone is picking up much low end from the kick drum. When I monitor it from the board it sounds really thin and whimpy, like a "tick, tick, tick", no real low end energy. The bass guitar on the other hand sounds pretty full.

Maybe we need to try a different kick mic? Or add a sub kick mic?
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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2012, 09:03:46 am »

While we don't need to rehash "what's your favorite drum mic" this week, mic pattern and where it's placed will make some difference on the sound it picks up. The "thump" sound will be loudest from the middle of the drum head, while it is generally hard to not get any (check the mic).

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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2012, 11:31:28 am »

While we don't need to rehash "what's your favorite drum mic" this week, mic pattern and where it's placed will make some difference on the sound it picks up. The "thump" sound will be loudest from the middle of the drum head, while it is generally hard to not get any (check the mic).

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I like the kick mic inside the drum about 3-4" from the beater and a tad off-center.  If you can't get "thump" from that position, your mic is seriously suspect.
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Re: Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 12:26:43 pm »

I like the kick mic inside the drum about 3-4" from the beater and a tad off-center.  If you can't get "thump" from that position, your mic is seriously suspect.

I like to place a mic inside in the bottom center of the kick drum,

And one inside about 3 inches from the beater

And one in the outside of the beaker head away from the beater

And one in the outside at the beater

And a small lav type attached to the beater

And both the inside and outside of the front head

And then there are the top left and right on the shell

All of these should be polarity and time aligned to the lab on the beater. The mics inside the drums get negative delays while those outside the drums get positive delays.

After I also put the six mics I need on the snare my console is pretty much filled up. One of these days I would like to have a console large enough to try some vocal mics but until then I want to make sure I have the important stuff covered.
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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2012, 01:04:25 pm »

Alright, well, I got a pre-EQ, pre-dynamics recording of the kick drum, what do you think?

http://k006.kiwi6.com/hotlink/sb795ge7uw/kickdrumrecording.mp3
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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2012, 01:17:06 pm »

Alright, well, I got a pre-EQ, pre-dynamics recording of the kick drum, what do you think?

http://k006.kiwi6.com/hotlink/sb795ge7uw/kickdrumrecording.mp3

Is that rattle coming from something in/on the drum or is it in the mic itself? 
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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2012, 01:21:59 pm »

Is that rattle coming from something in/on the drum or is it in the mic itself?

No idea.  ???
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Re: Lack of bass in recordings
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2012, 04:54:03 pm »

Alright, well, I got a pre-EQ, pre-dynamics recording of the kick drum, what do you think?

http://k006.kiwi6.com/hotlink/sb795ge7uw/kickdrumrecording.mp3

Seems fine here on my "studio" setup with mains and a sub that's reasonably well balanced.  Good amount of snap and definition with decent thump.

What mic do you have on the kick?
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