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holy dueling X32's Batman!
« on: September 17, 2012, 10:45:08 am »

okay, i'm using 2 X32's to run FOH at my church and i want to use the firewire/USB interface for 'virtual soundcheck' but i need about 48 tracks at once.

so, can i plug 2 Firewire or USB streams into a computer and record that many tracks at once?  and if i can, what software and/or hardware should i be using, bearing in mind that i STRONGLY prefer computing systems with Eve's Favorite Fruit tm prominently displayed...

one other little factoid.  i don't have these mixers in hand yet.  waiting on musician's friend to catch up with orders.  just thought i'd get ahead of the game...
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 11:50:07 am »

okay, i'm using 2 X32's to run FOH at my church and i want to use the firewire/USB interface for 'virtual soundcheck' but i need about 48 tracks at once.

so, can i plug 2 Firewire or USB streams into a computer and record that many tracks at once?  and if i can, what software and/or hardware should i be using, bearing in mind that i STRONGLY prefer computing systems with Eve's Favorite Fruit tm prominently displayed...

one other little factoid.  i don't have these mixers in hand yet.  waiting on musician's friend to catch up with orders.  just thought i'd get ahead of the game...

As long both X32s show up under Audio/MIDI you would create an Aggregate device. You may have to use 48 or 44.1 as I have had problems with any other settings on other devices.
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 03:48:34 pm »

Not sure I'd expect it to work well. If it can, ASIO4All may bring them together but you need to make sure everything is clocked together and you'll probably want the USB or Firewire inputs on separate devices instead of sharing the same bandwidth on the same chip.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 04:48:04 am »

In my limited experience Core Audio Aggregate devices work in some scenarios and with some devices but not all.  This is something you'll need to find out for yourself, I doubt anyone has tried this with 2 X32.  The x32 doesn't go beyond 48K so that shouldn't be an issue. ASIO4ALL wont help you on a Mac, ASIO is a Windows driver protocal.

Software wise you have quite a few choices that support Core Audio drivers.  Garage Band will probably be the cheapest of the commercial and will do what you have stated. unless there is an artificial track count limitation (which I doubt exists in Garage Band). Some vendors limit track counts in their entry level products, something to watch out for before you buy, for example the entry level Cubase.  There is possibly some free recording software for the Mac, I'm a long time Cubase user and don't really follow the market.
Cubase, Logic, ProTools would be a step up from GarageBand, but GarageBand is surprisingly good and for a virtual sound check all you need is something to stream the tracks, you don't care about plugins and latency and sw bussing and yada yada yada.
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 04:48:36 pm »

In my limited experience Core Audio Aggregate devices work in some scenarios and with some devices but not all.  This is something you'll need to find out for yourself, I doubt anyone has tried this with 2 X32.  The x32 doesn't go beyond 48K so that shouldn't be an issue. ASIO4ALL wont help you on a Mac, ASIO is a Windows driver protocal.

Software wise you have quite a few choices that support Core Audio drivers.  Garage Band will probably be the cheapest of the commercial and will do what you have stated. unless there is an artificial track count limitation (which I doubt exists in Garage Band). Some vendors limit track counts in their entry level products, something to watch out for before you buy, for example the entry level Cubase.  There is possibly some free recording software for the Mac, I'm a long time Cubase user and don't really follow the market.
Cubase, Logic, ProTools would be a step up from GarageBand, but GarageBand is surprisingly good and for a virtual sound check all you need is something to stream the tracks, you don't care about plugins and latency and sw bussing and yada yada yada.

Reaper would work well on either Mac or Windows and can easily handle that kind of channel count.  For a $60 license there's a lot to like about it.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 06:18:59 pm »

Reaper would work well on either Mac or Windows and can easily handle that kind of channel count.  For a $60 license there's a lot to like about it.

Absolutely. Reaper is on par with DAW's that cost several times more, and with unlimited track count.
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 06:27:22 pm »

Brian, why did you go for the X32ís?

I was going to PM, but I figure it might be helpful to others as well.
Basically Iím needing to buy a console quick smart after water damage has 86íed our GL3300. I havenít really considered the X32, but Iím wondering if Iím being small minded . . . 
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 07:35:30 pm »

Brian, why did you go for the X32ís?

I was going to PM, but I figure it might be helpful to others as well.
Basically Iím needing to buy a console quick smart after water damage has 86íed our GL3300. I havenít really considered the X32, but Iím wondering if Iím being small minded . . .

Well, our need to finally lose our analog desk became more urgent recently, so I needed to do something, but frankly had no money to do anything like an iLive, or Pro1 or the like.  This was a way to get into digital at a price point we could swallow.  We need about 48 channels which is why I went with 2 desks, but my other motivator was that, in a pinch, we can cram our whole service into one X32, so I've got some built in redundancy as well.  I do feel like uli is really trying to pull things together with this desk, but I've certainly had my share of Behringer failures like many others have.  This is just a little insurance policy.

If I had these already delivered, I'd make you a ridiculous deal on an ML5000, but I suspect you're gonna need something before I get my replacements in....
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2012, 11:15:40 am »

[quote author=brian maddox
on the other little factoid.  i don't have these mixers in hand yet.  waiting on musician's friend to catch up with orders.  just thought i'd get ahead of the game...
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GC claims to have them in stores today.

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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 03:32:10 pm »

[quote author=brian maddox
on the other little factoid.  i don't have these mixers in hand yet.  waiting on musician's friend to catch up with orders.  just thought i'd get ahead of the game...


GC claims to have them in stores today.

-Wigs

There's one set up at the GC here in Omaha.  Don't know if they have more than that, but they'd probalby box it up if somebody wanted it :)
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2012, 08:31:41 pm »

I picked one up at the Omaha GC Labor Day weekend and got 15% off. At the time they had three in stock.

If you look on the GC website it tells which stores have inventory.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2012, 02:03:11 am »

I picked one up at the Omaha GC Labor Day weekend and got 15% off. At the time they had three in stock.

If you look on the GC website it tells which stores have inventory.
So what was the final cost?
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2012, 12:43:05 pm »

$2465+ Tax
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2012, 01:07:10 pm »

$2465+ Tax

The one caveat is that I purchased the board from the Des Moines GC and picked it up at the Omaha store.

The Omaha store wouldn't give me any discount when I contacted them, so I went to my local GC and they said they would give me 15% off for their Labor Day sale and have it shipped in 3 days from the KC store so I went with it.

When I got home I got confirmation from GC and said it would be shipping from the Omaha GC. So, I decided to just pick it up in Omaha instead of waiting for them to ship it. It was worth the $40 in gas it took to get it.

After ten years on my Crest XR20 the X32 just blows my mind.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 02:11:43 pm »

The one caveat is that I purchased the board from the Des Moines GC and picked it up at the Omaha store.

The Omaha store wouldn't give me any discount when I contacted them, so I went to my local GC and they said they would give me 15% off for their Labor Day sale and have it shipped in 3 days from the KC store so I went with it.

When I got home I got confirmation from GC and said it would be shipping from the Omaha GC. So, I decided to just pick it up in Omaha instead of waiting for them to ship it. It was worth the $40 in gas it took to get it.

After ten years on my Crest XR20 the X32 just blows my mind.


Reaper seems like the obvious choice for your multitracking. It is a solid program that is constantly updated. It fits the budget too!
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2012, 02:52:40 pm »


Reaper seems like the obvious choice for your multitracking. It is a solid program that is constantly updated. It fits the budget too!

Thanks to all for the info.  Looks like I'm gonna give reaper a try.  As well as see if I can just go to my local GC and get these instead of waiting for who knows how long on musicians friend....
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2012, 06:50:11 pm »

Brian,
GC and MF are one and the same. Good luck though.
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holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2012, 07:32:58 pm »

Just saw an X32 on display at GC. I felt the company pictures didn't do it justice, that it looked more professional in person.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2012, 07:34:16 pm »

Brian,
GC and MF are one and the same. Good luck though.

Who knew?

Well, I guess they won't mind me canceling one order to fill it in store.  Win win...
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2012, 08:40:09 pm »

Who knew?

Well, I guess they won't mind me canceling one order to fill it in store.  Win win...

We have them in stock here in KC with more on the way.  We will be renting them as well.  Everyone will need service at some point and need to rent one while theirs is in Vegas.
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2012, 07:06:27 pm »

okay, just thought i'd follow up on this thread for anyone who cares.

Got my two desks.  got them all hooked up.  i'm basically running a 48 channel system.  i'm using 32 on one desk as a band submixer and then using 16 more on the second desk for vocal mics, playback, and that sort of thing.  since i've got 16 spare channels, i'm using those as 'cascade inputs' so i can get the bussing to be consistent on the two decks.  i only really needed 5 things cascaded[we run a separate monitor rig], but i've got headroom here if it comes up.

anyway, back to my original post.  i hooked up my 2 desks to my MacBook Pro today.  since my MBP only has one firewire port, i used USB for the 16 channel desk, and FireWire for the 32 channel desk.  Set up an Aggregate Device as was suggested earlier.  Opened Reaper [i also went with that suggestion].  selected the Aggregate device and Bam, i had a 48 track recorder.  That was it.  no rebooting, drivers, configuration.  Nothing.  it just worked.

Frankly, this has been my experience across the board with this desk.  plugged the two consoles straight into our Churches LAN [we had a couple spare Cat5 wall jacks handy].  opened up XControl on my Mac using a windows emulator, and connected to the desk via the buildings WiFi.  set an IP.  Bam.  it just worked.  Cranked up the iPad and XiControl.  Bam.  It just worked.  My volunteer sound guy is an IT guy by trade and he was just amazed at how seamless the whole process was.

The software implementation on this thing is very well done.  I've got a few little nitpicks, but overall i have to admit this is a VERY impressive piece of technology...
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2012, 04:51:01 pm »

okay, just thought i'd follow up on this thread for anyone who cares.

. . .That was it.  no rebooting, drivers, configuration.  Nothing.  it just worked.

Frankly, this has been my experience across the board with this desk.  plugged the two consoles straight into our Churches LAN [we had a couple spare Cat5 wall jacks handy].  opened up XControl on my Mac using a windows emulator, and connected to the desk via the buildings WiFi.  set an IP.  Bam.  it just worked.  Cranked up the iPad and XiControl.  Bam.  It just worked.  My volunteer sound guy is an IT guy by trade and he was just amazed at how seamless the whole process was.

The software implementation on this thing is very well done.  I've got a few little nitpicks, but overall i have to admit this is a VERY impressive piece of technology...

Brian:
Thanks for the update! It is great to hear that your x-32's are working out for you.  This has been consistant with the feedback that we are getting from other customers. Also, thank you for choosing Musician's Friend.  For the record we and Guitar Center are NOT one and the same, but we are owned by the same parent company.  Yes we share some resources, but we are seperate entities within a larger company.  Regardless, I am very happy that your x-32's are working out for you!
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Re: holy dueling X32's Batman!
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2012, 02:39:44 am »

The one caveat is that I purchased the board from the Des Moines GC and picked it up at the Omaha store.

The Omaha store wouldn't give me any discount when I contacted them, so I went to my local GC and they said they would give me 15% off for their Labor Day sale and have it shipped in 3 days from the KC store so I went with it.

When I got home I got confirmation from GC and said it would be shipping from the Omaha GC. So, I decided to just pick it up in Omaha instead of waiting for them to ship it. It was worth the $40 in gas it took to get it.

After ten years on my Crest XR20 the X32 just blows my mind.

Hi Tim!  Just wondering how the mic pres on the x32 compare to your Crest XR20.  I too have an XR20 and love the mic pres.  I had a Mackie 1604 VLZ before that and couldn't believe how much sweeter the sound was of the XR20.  Granted it is a more expensive mixer, but well worth the extra cost.  So just curious, as I'd hate to replace the XR20 with something not as sweet sounding.  Thanks!
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