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Steve Ferreira

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What will replace the Mac 250?
« on: June 05, 2012, 01:07:17 am »

Now that Martin has discontinued the Mac 250 Entour/Krypton, what do you think will replace this workhorse?
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 12:26:38 am »

http://www.martin.com/product/product.asp?product=mac350ENTOUR

the better version of the same light?

swap the fixed gobo wheel for an iris, up the brightness 2x, and cut the power draw by 80%
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2012, 08:57:45 pm »

Now that Martin has discontinued the Mac 250 Entour/Krypton, what do you think will replace this workhorse?

Yep, the 350 is a nice fixture.  I rented a pair a couple of months ago and had a tough time giving it back.  WAY brighter than the MAC250.  I think there was some feature that I missed, however.  I believe it was prism but I'm too lazy to look it up right now.
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2012, 09:35:50 pm »

Yep, the 350 is a nice fixture.  I rented a pair a couple of months ago and had a tough time giving it back.  WAY brighter than the MAC250.  I think there was some feature that I missed, however.  I believe it was prism but I'm too lazy to look it up right now.
they took out a gobo wheel (the fixed, useless, one) and the prism functions, but added an iris and made the fixture a ton brighter....even trade off I'd say
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 04:45:45 pm »

Yes, the 350 is a nice light, but not having a prism really bugs me...

It was for that reason I picked up a few Elation PS5R's, though I would have preferred to buy Martin. Maybe something will be announced at infocomm? Anyone there in Vegas?
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 11:37:39 pm »

they took out a gobo wheel (the fixed, useless, one) and the prism functions, but added an iris and made the fixture a ton brighter....even trade off I'd say

Why does there have to be a trade off?  Besides, I would gladly trade the iris feature for a prism.  I use prism every day.
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2012, 12:13:09 am »

Why does there have to be a trade off?  Besides, I would gladly trade the iris feature for a prism.  I use prism every day.
because you can only put so many features into a small light and still have it be economical

the loss of a prism sucks for corporate shows, but for rock and roll the iris is a much better addition
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 11:18:22 am »

There's something to be said for reliability though. Even though they are not as feature-rich, I'm considering dumping my 5Rs in favor of 350s. I had two 5Rs with bad tilt motors in the first few hours of use... reliability is important. Anyone have any thoughts on the 350 vs. 5R side by side? I made a thread about small profiles before purchasing, and I'm afraid I made a mistake going with Elation... Really looking to see whats coming in the way of small profiles from Martin, if anything.
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 01:32:40 am »

There's something to be said for reliability though. Even though they are not as feature-rich, I'm considering dumping my 5Rs in favor of 350s. I had two 5Rs with bad tilt motors in the first few hours of use... reliability is important. Anyone have any thoughts on the 350 vs. 5R side by side? I made a thread about small profiles before purchasing, and I'm afraid I made a mistake going with Elation... Really looking to see whats coming in the way of small profiles from Martin, if anything.

I'm right there with ya.  I have one more 5R to repair before selling it and being rid of Elation ML's.  Unfortunately, though, there's nothing else even close to comparable for the money.  When they work they are amazing, but I got tired of doing repairs.  I've used the 350's for one show but I didn't have a chance to do a direct comparison to the PS5R.  The frost filter makes the PS5R a fantastic unit (IMO), something no one else is doing in that price range.  I would definitely miss having prism in the 350's and that would probably keep me from buying them.  I would expect the Martins to hold up MUCH better than the Elations, so if you can live with a couple of limitations (and the price difference) go for the 350's.

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Forgot to mention... The 350 can do split colors, something the Elations can't.  Here are a couple of pictures of a pair of 350's I used for a DJ gig.
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2012, 11:28:11 am »

Well, I really *Like the frost filter. I think its an awesome feature and I have been using it, not sure if that's the deal breaker. I can live with the price difference, but I don't think I could live without prism- I use it for alot of beam effects. I've also heard the 350's are somewhat fragile in comparison to the mac250s, but I have no doubt they are better made than the Elation units. Am I asking too much for a well-featured reliable small profile in the $2,000 per unit range? I really don't think so... yet, one doesn't seem to exist.
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2012, 03:25:34 am »

Am I asking too much for a well-featured reliable small profile in the $2,000 per unit range? I really don't think so... yet, one doesn't seem to exist.

I feel the exact same way.  If the Platinum Spots were reliable they would fit the bill.  I even considered trying again with the 5R Pro (I REALLY want CMY and zoom) but decided against it.  If you find something please let us know.
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2012, 03:46:22 am »

Funny you bring up the 5R pro... I was thinking about doing the exact same thing. Not totally sure it's worth it though. Its got everything, but I think all the bells and whistles are whats more likely to break. Hard to build a fixture at a certain price point with all those features and use the best quality parts.

The search continues...
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2012, 09:01:53 pm »

Funny you bring up the 5R pro... I was thinking about doing the exact same thing. Not totally sure it's worth it though. Its got everything, but I think all the bells and whistles are whats more likely to break. Hard to build a fixture at a certain price point with all those features and use the best quality parts.

The search continues...

That's why I changed my mind on them.  I've had better success rates with my cheapo Chinese ML's than I did with the PS5R's so sorry, Elation.
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2012, 02:22:28 pm »

That's why I changed my mind on them.  I've had better success rates with my cheapo Chinese ML's than I did with the PS5R's so sorry, Elation.

So funny we're on that subject, yet again...
I'm officially done with Elation. A quick synopsis of my experience...


I really don't want to write a book on this so I'll keep it brief. I recently purchased into the Platinum Spot 5R line from Elation.
I first have to say that these are AWESOME units (when they work)

I purchased two test units with the intent of adding 6 more to inventory once I got familiar with them (and sold off some existing inventory) Here's my experience.

1 out of the initial two had a bad tilt motor out of the box. Returned that unit and swapped it out for another new unit. That unit had a bad grinding noise on tilt movements out of the box. Went to swap that out today. Brought up another unit from the warehouse and decided to run it before making the swap. Electrical issues with that one out of the box. Brought up yet another unit from the warehouse and opened that one up, plugged it in, wouldn't power up. DOA.

4/5 had issues out of the box. Needless to say, all four bad units are going back to elation and the 5th is being removed from inventory and sent back as well. I will be buying into another line, and will probably not do much business with Elation going forward. I need to decide what that next line will be, but potentially the new Martin units when they come out if i can hold out that long on dry-rentals. Just wanted to post my experience, and I'm open to suggestions on units to look into if anyone has had good experiences. Looking for well-featured small profiles in the 2-3k range per light.
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Re: What will replace the Mac 250?
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2012, 01:31:07 pm »

Sorry to hear that, Nick. I brought my last 5R home the other day to box it up and get an RA. It will immediately go on eBay. I started looking into the VL440. I don't know pricing but I'm sure they're over $3000. But right now I'd rather use cheap lights that get the job done until I can afford to buy into something with the features I want that is going to be reliable.
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