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Tom Hester

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D&B V-Series Released
« on: March 18, 2012, 02:39:12 pm »

http://www.dbaudio.com/en/systems/black-range/v-series/

I was hoping there would be some buzz about this, but I guess I will start it.

Same output as Q but has Rigging like J (awesome). Also much better coverage options. The sub looks cool too, a bigger B4 sub.


What do you guys think?
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2012, 03:21:37 pm »

http://www.dbaudio.com/en/systems/black-range/v-series/

I was hoping there would be some buzz about this, but I guess I will start it.

Same output as Q but has Rigging like J (awesome). Also much better coverage options. The sub looks cool too, a bigger B4 sub.


What do you guys think?

It should have better output than a Q, it has the 2-10s, but instead of a single small compression driver it has an 8" horn loaded mid, and 2 small compression diriver highs. It is about the same size as a Q, but is 50% heavier.

Almost no one has heard them yet, I wouldn't expect many actual users to chime in yet.

Mac
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2012, 03:22:07 pm »

is it replacing Q?
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2012, 04:33:47 pm »

is it replacing Q?

It's a fine combination of the J and Q it has the j rigging but you can set angles up to 14 degrees. it just sounds like a smaller J. it is brighter and has more balls than Q in my opinion.
I don't think it will replace the Q I think it's just a middle ground between the two. I think the V's are a great idea, because I love how easy it is to fly and land the J's but you get the added bonus of having a lighter box.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2012, 04:48:04 pm by chris bellamy »
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2012, 07:25:59 pm »

Don't think of it as replacing the Q but more as completing the gap between J and T series. Actually it will have more output than a Q1 soon but it won't be optimized till the new amp/processor is released.
The Q series all have a single 1.3" compression, the V series have dual 1.4" exit drivers.
 It does weigh more but its still only at 75lbs which is still below most mid sized dual 10" boxes that put out over 140db peak and have captive rigging, at least that I am aware of.... and has the huge benefit of being 3way passive with this type of performance. Two boxes per chan can be utilized without any performance compromise.
The V sub is unique because it is an 18" with a rear firing 12" for cardioid and operates on a single amp channel in cardioid mode.  Can be stacked or flown and goes down to about 37hz.
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 07:00:57 pm »

Mac,
Saw them up close and personal today. They were side by side with a Q1. They are a bit wider, and like you mentioned quite a bit heavier. However, the audio they produce were amazing, especially between that 800-2400 area. I was told they are replacing the "Q" series.

It should have better output than a Q, it has the 2-10s, but instead of a single small compression driver it has an 8" horn loaded mid, and 2 small compression diriver highs. It is about the same size as a Q, but is 50% heavier.

Almost no one has heard them yet, I wouldn't expect many actual users to chime in yet.

Mac
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2012, 05:11:08 am »

Mac,
Saw them up close and personal today. They were side by side with a Q1. They are a bit wider, and like you mentioned quite a bit heavier. However, the audio they produce were amazing, especially between that 800-2400 area. I was told they are replacing the "Q" series.

Same as i have heard on PLS Frankfurt. Q is running out sooner or later
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2012, 07:22:31 pm »

Im doing a show with V as a J outfill hang on Wednesday. I will report back!
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 10:05:59 pm »

Im doing a show with V as a J outfill hang on Wednesday. I will report back!


and ? how was it?
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2012, 04:32:10 pm »



and ? how was it?

Hi All,

Sorry for the radio silence - its been constant shows since my last post.

In short, it was excellent.

We had the first 24 boxes in the world - actually serial numbers 1-24 (a real shame i didn't snap a picture!). This was a half-arena show, and the configuration was 16 J + 12 V per side.

The V is literally like a small J. The box looks similar, the styling is the same, and the rigging is pretty much identical. The main physical difference is obviously the size, and that it doesnt have any kind of wheelboard, and is instead designed to travel in dollies, which D&B have designed. The dollies are 1/3 pack and can be seen on the website.

The fly frame is pretty much identical to the V. Ours were fitted with prosights.

Its a passive box, which i know puts a lot of people off, but i couldn't hear it. We were using the V as a side-hang to the J and walking the transition between the 2 with your eyes shut, you couldn't pick the difference. Now, this was primarily a playback driven show (no full band) so differences may become more apparent with more dynamic content.

All in all, very very impressed. Great sounding box, loads of headroom, and great physical characteristics (weight, size, flyware, etc...)

I have it again for a tour in May/June where we will be using it as a delay ring in stadiums with J as the main PA, so i'll post some more thoughts then!
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2012, 02:02:50 pm »

Thanx a lot Chris. Do you know the q1? Can you tell about the difference?
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 03:27:46 pm »

http://www.dbaudio.com/en/systems/black-range/v-series/

I was hoping there would be some buzz about this, but I guess I will start it.

Same output as Q but has Rigging like J (awesome). Also much better coverage options. The sub looks cool too, a bigger B4 sub.


What do you guys think?
"Musikhuset" in Ĺrhus, Denmark bought a V system in exchanged for their (very fine) d&b F2 rig. Sounds very promising so far.
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 05:25:01 pm »

Thanx a lot Chris. Do you know the q1? Can you tell about the difference?

Hi Uli,

Yes, very familiar with the Q1. Ironically, the day after the gig with V, i was onto a small beach festival with 12 Q1 and 4 J-Sub per side, so it was a good comparison.

Obviously it goes without saying i think Q is a great box, but we have to remember its 10 years old now. V has 10 more years of R&D behind it, so it should be much better. Its also nearly twice the price...

The rigging is much better - miles better in fact. But again, thats expected. The industry has learned a lot about line array ergonomics in the last 10 years.

Sonically, it has a much sweeter top end - more akin to the J than the Q. This is the one thing i have always found lacking with Q systems - 8k and up...
It also seems to go a bit lower. V with Cut off seems to have a fuller and richer low end than Q, which is interesting because its a similar low end driver config. Again, more R&D time i guess...

But i think the main reason i like it is that it ticks a lot of 'real-world' boxes. On paper and on demo i think there are a lot of good midsize systems out there, but in practice, they all fall down somewhere in the real world.
Q is too narrow - you always end up needing outfill with smaller, shorter throw gigs.
Kara is too wide, its the downfill for K1, but when you want to cover a typical 'hall' you lose a lot of energy to the walls once the room gets long and thin.
Active is cool when you want maximum headroom, but again, we have J for that (interestingly the price difference isnt huge between J and V, but of course you need double the amps), and often in the types of gigs where V would be the main system, you cant justify lots of amp $, so passive (4 boxes per D12) makes financial and truck pack sense.

I'm also a huge fan of the dual box idea - a narrower box for the main array, and a wider box for downfill or delay/short throw use. This makes covering smaller rooms easier and the system more flexible for mid-scale tours.

Lastly, 14 degree inter-element angle makes for short compact arrays when you need it, which again, works for the types of gigs where you are likely to see this box as the mains, and economises on boxes when you need an outfill for J.

So in short, if you own Q, think hard about buying V. It is better, no doubt, but Q is a good box. If you were going to buy Q, Don't. Buy V, it will be more useful in more situations. If i was starting a midsize PA rental house today and i wanted D&B, i'd probably just buy T and V...
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 10:38:28 pm »

Sonically, it has a much sweeter top end - more akin to the J than the Q. This is the one thing i have always found lacking with Q systems - 8k and up...

Exactly my thoughts!

It also seems to go a bit lower. V with Cut off seems to have a fuller and richer low end than Q, which is interesting because its a similar low end driver config. Again, more R&D time i guess...

It's not about R&D but physics of the driveunits. To get high enough sensitivity in the midrange one has to sacrifice on the LF output. That's why V has the 8" MF cone so that there must not be such big compromise on the LF output of the 10" woofers.

Q and V are different tools for different usage and they both have their place. I don't like big rigs made of Q1 (6-8 boxes a side maximum) and Qsub is more of a midbass than real subwoofer. But still they are very versatile and excellent tools.
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2012, 12:51:32 pm »

Exactly my thoughts!

It's not about R&D but physics of the driveunits. To get high enough sensitivity in the midrange one has to sacrifice on the LF output. That's why V has the 8" MF cone so that there must not be such big compromise on the LF output of the 10" woofers.

Q and V are different tools for different usage and they both have their place. I don't like big rigs made of Q1 (6-8 boxes a side maximum) and Qsub is more of a midbass than real subwoofer. But still they are very versatile and excellent tools.
Thanx all. What about rumour of q1 running out. Isn´t it ? 
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2012, 05:01:07 am »

Thanx all. What about rumour of q1 running out. Isn´t it ?

Anybody else something to say in that ? I know this is the tricky part ;-)
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2012, 03:57:39 am »

Exactly my thoughts!

It's not about R&D but physics of the driveunits. To get high enough sensitivity in the midrange one has to sacrifice on the LF output. That's why V has the 8" MF cone so that there must not be such big compromise on the LF output of the 10" woofers.

Q and V are different tools for different usage and they both have their place. I don't like big rigs made of Q1 (6-8 boxes a side maximum) and Qsub is more of a midbass than real subwoofer. But still they are very versatile and excellent tools.
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Re: D&B V-Series Released
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2012, 04:08:06 am »



 Exactly my thoughts! It's not about R&D but physics of the driveunits. To get high enough sensitivity in the midrange one has
to sacrifice on the LF output. That's why V has the 8" MF cone so that there must not be such big
compromise on the LF output of the 10" woofers. Q and V are different tools for different usage and they both have their place. I don't like big rigs made of
Q1 (6-8 boxes a side maximum) and Qsub is more of a midbass than real subwoofer. But still they are
very versatile and excellent tools.
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