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Ted Christensen

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« on: March 01, 2012, 09:43:01 pm »

I own a few of these and power two a side with a 5000i stereo. Was wondering what everyone else was using to power there danleys.


Thanks!
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Ivan Beaver

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Re: Th115 users
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 06:45:05 am »

I own a few of these and power two a side with a 5000i stereo. Was wondering what everyone else was using to power there danleys.


Thanks!
Which impedance cabinet do you have.  The origional ones were 8 ohm.  After a couple of years the standard impedance was changed to 4 ohm-due to people having a hard time providing a large enough amp for them.  8 ohm is still available-but the standard is 4 ohm.

The impedance will affect how you power them-to get the most out of them-as with any loudspeaker.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 09:14:59 am »

I see a lot of posters on here tend to use an iTech8k for a pair. No personal experience though.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 01:20:47 pm »

I use IT8Ks to power 4 of the 8ohm Th115s

I see a lot of posters on here tend to use an iTech8k for a pair. No personal experience though.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 02:15:32 pm »

Thanks Hal and everyone else. I have the 8ohm version. 

How do you like the 8ks for the sub? It doesn't seem that much different than my 5000i. Maybe a few more watts but the db level wouldn't be noticeble. Correct?
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 04:12:45 pm »

If you can afford it I am getting good results powering my eight ohmTH-115s with Lab Gruppen FP+14,000 and its more expensive brother PLM 14,000 with good results.
Two boxes per channel.  When we are stretched thin I sometimes do three boxes per channel, they seem to roar even louder this way.

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 06:07:31 pm »

I own a few of these and power two a side with a 5000i stereo. Was wondering what everyone else was using to power there danleys.


Thanks!

xti6000 powers one 4 ohm TH115 a side.  For my uses it provides enough gut, but I rarely use them cranked up and outdoors - would like to hear them ripping, powered by an I-Tech 8000.
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Re: Th115 users
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2012, 02:37:01 am »

I own a few of these and power two a side with a 5000i stereo. Was wondering what everyone else was using to power there danleys.


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+1 on the I-Tech 8k and TH-115 combo. I've been running 4 (8ohm)115s + an I-Tech 8k for several years and love the performance.
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2012, 12:26:52 am »

I've looked at the specs on the 4ohm version and they are 106db vs 101db at 8ohms for sensitivity. So at 5db more a box roughly..assuming specs are accurate that's almost 30dB extra in sub output. Correct?

Should we be switching to 4 ohm drivers?
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2012, 10:09:21 am »

I've looked at the specs on the 4ohm version and they are 106db vs 101db at 8ohms for sensitivity. So at 5db more a box roughly..assuming specs are accurate that's almost 30dB extra in sub output. Correct?

Should we be switching to 4 ohm drivers?

Incorrect, and no.

Danley speakers use a standard voltage as a reference for sensitivity. That means the 4Ω version is getting twice as much power as the 8Ω version at that standard voltage. If your amps can deliver double the power into half the impedance you are using now, you will get the benefit of the higher power levels.

A 5dB increase per box in a 6 box array does not mean a 30dB increase for the array. It is just a 5dB increase.

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2012, 02:27:22 pm »

Incorrect, and no.

Danley speakers use a standard voltage as a reference for sensitivity. That means the 4Ω version is getting twice as much power as the 8Ω version at that standard voltage. If your amps can deliver double the power into half the impedance you are using now, you will get the benefit of the higher power levels.

A 5dB increase per box in a 6 box array does not mean a 30dB increase for the array. It is just a 5dB increase.

Mac

And to add to this: the 4 ohm (version of this woofer) is not just half the impedance of the 8 but instead is somewhere between 4 and 8.  If u compare the spec sheets from Danley you can see that the minimum impedance of the newer version is 5 ohms!  Maybe it should be called a 6 ohm box instead of 4.  Further, the functional parameters of the woofers are slightly different as well so there are some slight differences in frequency response.  But, the overall broadband output potential of each version should be basically the same.  It's just a matter of how many volts it takes to get there.  BTW, I like it when amp spec sheets also list total output swing in volts.  Calculating back from power ratings takes time and isn't always accurate.  Knowing the rail voltages of the power supply is nice too. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2012, 03:58:24 pm »

And to add to this: the 4 ohm (version of this woofer) is not just half the impedance of the 8 but instead is somewhere between 4 and 8.  If u compare the spec sheets from Danley you can see that the minimum impedance of the newer version is 5 ohms!  Maybe it should be called a 6 ohm box instead of 4.  Further, the functional parameters of the woofers are slightly different as well so there are some slight differences in frequency response.  But, the overall broadband output potential of each version should be basically the same.  It's just a matter of how many volts it takes to get there.  BTW, I like it when amp spec sheets also list total output swing in volts.  Calculating back from power ratings takes time and isn't always accurate.  Knowing the rail voltages of the power supply is nice too.
EXACTLY!  That is the reason Danley gives the sensitivity in volts-instead of power.

The rating is for the closest "standard" impedance value.

Another "for example" is the SH50.  Origionally it was rated as a 6 ohm cabinet-which more closely described the load it presented to the amplifier.

However I got calls ALL THE TIME with people asking about which amp to use for a 6 ohm cabinet.  They could not find 6 ohms on the spec sheets of the amps.  It really confused them-and when I tried to explain it, they go even more confused.

We changed the impedance rating to 4 ohms and all those phone calls stopped.  It was now "simple".  Since the origional specs were in input VOLTAGE-those numbers did not change.  If we had used wattage-based on 6 ohms-then the sensitivity would have also had to change with the 4 ohm rating.

That is one reason why Danley uses the voltage method of sensitivity.

The "wattage" method is also flawed in that as the freq changes the sensitivity would also have to change-due to a different "wattage" being applied to a loudspeaker because of the different impedance.

You cannot apply 1 watt (evenly across all freq) to a loudspeaker.  If you did-then the freq response would be quite different-because at the freq that have a high impedance-the freq response would have a corrispondingly higher output-which is not real and not what it sounds like.

You can only apply a voltage-and the wattage is calculated based on that wattage and "some" impedance-presumeably the rated impedance-even though that impedance may or may not be an accurate description of the load presented to the amplifier.

Amplifiers DO NOT produce a wattage output.  They produce a VOLTAGE output that stay constant with varying loads (assuming the amplifier is not at the current limits)-so it makes more sense to rate the loudspeakers with a voltage (like the amps) rather than a wattage.
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Re: Th115 users
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