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[Robert Weston]

This is just an observation...

Has anyone seen the "recent" television ads for Goodwill (Goodwill Industries)?  The animated ad shows representatives of Goodwill on stage making an announcement.  On each side of the stage is a 3-box ground-stacked line-array. 

It's good to see someone spent the time to draw in a "current' speaker system for live sound instead of just the usual 1 x full-range speaker.   



 

[Ivan Beaver]

This is just an observation...

Has anyone seen the "recent" television ads for Goodwill (Goodwill Industries)?  The animated ad shows representatives of Goodwill on stage making an announcement.  On each side of the stage is a 3-box ground-stacked line-array. 

It's good to see someone spent the time to draw in a "current' speaker system for live sound instead of just the usual 1 x full-range speaker.

And why is that considered "better"?

There are people who would disagree with you-me being one of them.

[Jay Barracato]

And why is that considered "better"?

There are people who would disagree with you-me being one of them.

Last night I swung by a venue (firehall) where a band I know was going to be playing, just to touch base with the band. The provided PA was 2 VRX on sticks per sides which amounts to my 2nd least favorite "real" PA, the first being 1 VRX per side. I looked at the PA and then looked at the worsening snow, waved hello to a couple of people, and turned around and drove back to the evening bar gig where a friend was playing through a pair of yamaha clubs and mixing from stage.

Guess which sounded better.

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

And why is that considered "better"?

There are people who would disagree with you-me being one of them.

Ivan....

It doesn't matter one bit which speaker/system is depicted.  In the world of commercials it will ALWAYS happen that when the speaker steps up to the mic to address the crowd there will be an audible "squank" of feedback......because that's what sound systems do............

[Mike Christy]

Guess which sounded better.

The one using oxygen-free gold plated palladium enriched Monster speaker cables?

[Robert Weston]

And why is that considered "better"?

There are people who would disagree with you-me being one of them.

Ivan - I completely agree with you (in fact, I'm on your side); though, my posting never said it was better... just that it was current.

[Samuel Rees]

I've never run on a VRX system. What accounts for the disparity here do you think? Do you guys dislike VRX in general, or is it when they are arranged in non-full arrays like 1 or 2 boxes?

[Charlie Zureki]

I've never run on a VRX system. What accounts for the disparity here do you think? Do you guys dislike VRX in general, or is it when they are arranged in non-full arrays like 1 or 2 boxes?

   Well...some people don't like the VRX boxes because, although they're promoted as a Line Array, they're not Really a Line Array.  Some people don't like JBL speaker systems, including the VRX model.  Some people don't like the way the VRX boxes sound, and some people don't like the way the VRX boxes are most often used or set-up.

    I think that many people forget that they're just another tool in the available Sound System war-chest. They'll either work for a specific application, or they won't.

  I've used the VRX boxes many times, and I find that they work best for Corpy work. They wouldn't be in my top ten choices for Live Music reinforcement.

   Cheers,
   Hammer

[Jay Barracato]

 
  Some people don't like the way the VRX boxes sound, and some people don't like the way the VRX boxes are most often used or set-up.

 

Bingo,

Unfortunately, when I run into them they are not "another tool in the war chest" , they are the only tool.

As the old saying goes, when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

With that said, with three boxes a side, hung with appropriate trim height, they smooth out and become usable.

[Chris Davis]

I've never run on a VRX system. What accounts for the disparity here do you think? Do you guys dislike VRX in general, or is it when they are arranged in non-full arrays like 1 or 2 boxes?

Well, that's sort of what the problem is.  Although they boast a 4 box max, they still don't really operate like a real line array (or at least that's what it seemed like to me last time I tried them).  Normal line arrays have much greater positioning flexibility, and also have a much larger hang of boxes.  The VRX are not the worst speakers I have ever heard, but many pro-consumers that are using them might be better off just be using point-source speakers instead, like perhaps the SRX, as they cover more bases in fewer steps and don't create new issues.

[Chris Davis]

Ivan - I completely agree with you (in fact, I'm on your side); though, my posting never said it was better... just that it was current.

They are out there.  People see them and remember them (and secretly want them).

[Ivan Beaver]

Ivan....

It doesn't matter one bit which speaker/system is depicted.  In the world of commercials it will ALWAYS happen that when the speaker steps up to the mic to address the crowd there will be an audible "squank" of feedback......because that's what sound systems do............

It's they way they "make sure" we know there is a sound system.

That also "assumes" that all sound systems are "supposed" to do that when you walk up to a mic.  NO-only the bad ones.

But it is amazing how that mentality is carried through.

And to take it one step further (not to start a rant here), but it is amazing to me how many people I have run into lately who "prefer" the sound of a distorted-narrow bandwidth system-because that is what they are used to and think that it is "right".

Just because they listen to low bit rate-distorted MP3's on their $4 headphones does not make that "sound" what the origional artist was after.  But I digress-------------------------

And just because you see it "depicted" on TV (or drawn in a cartoon) does not make it right.

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

It's they way they "make sure" we know there is a sound system.

That's what I was trying to say, I guess.

......... it is amazing to me how many people I have run into lately who "prefer" the sound of a distorted-narrow bandwidth system-because that is what they are used to and think that it is "right".

Plus a f***ing million!

[Bob Leonard]

Properly stated VRX is a constant curvature non-adjustable array. The fault with the VRX is the inability to change the angle of the box. A ground stacked VRX is usable in situations where the intended audience is at ground level AND above. Bleachers, bowls, etc.. In any other instance the fixed curve array must be hung at the proper hight. Those are the reasons the VRX should be considered a job specific box. For all around work I'll stay with my SRX system.

[brian maddox]

   Well...some people don't like the VRX boxes because, although they're promoted as a Line Array, they're not Really a Line Array.  Some people don't like JBL speaker systems, including the VRX model.  Some people don't like the way the VRX boxes sound, and some people don't like the way the VRX boxes are most often used or set-up.

i'm actually all of these people....

[Chris Chambers]

What would you suggest instead of the VRX 'array' system? QSC KLA? I'm looking at getting 12 VRX932LAP and 12 VRX918SP for a hire inventory....

[Tim Padrick]

I don't like VRX because the sound changes dramatically across the horizontal.  They sound best about 30 degrees off axis.  They are high & high-mid heavy on axis - very unpleasant.

[Tim McCulloch]

I don't like VRX because the sound changes dramatically across the horizontal.  They sound best about 30 degrees off axis.  They are high & high-mid heavy on axis - very unpleasant.

And therein lies my dislike for them and the Meyer M2D and other speakers where the LF/MF/HF are laid out asymmetrically in the horizontal plane.

[Jay Barracato]

And therein lies my dislike for them and the Meyer M2D and other speakers where the LF/MF/HF are laid out asymmetrically in the horizontal plane.

And then you add in the fixed vertical angle, and the wide horizontal to make sure you get great relections off of both walls and the ceiling...

[Chris Carpenter]

I'm glad some other people feel as I do about VRX. So many people use them, it wasn't until I heard the Clair Brothers arrays at Voodoo that I knew line arrays weren't all just ice-pick-to-the-eardrum. Now at vrx shows, I just sort of grit my teeth, cram in ear plugs, and stand in front of the subs to balance it out.

[Charlie Zureki]

I'm glad some other people feel as I do about VRX. So many people use them, it wasn't until I heard the Clair Brothers arrays at Voodoo that I knew line arrays weren't all just ice-pick-to-the-eardrum. Now at vrx shows, I just sort of grit my teeth, cram in ear plugs, and stand in front of the subs to balance it out.

   Understanding the point you were making...but, comparing a VRX rig to a Clair Brothers rig is like...... comparing a Chevy Cruse to a Chevy Corvette.   Not really a fair comparison.   

   Hammer

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