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Dave Gunnell

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"Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« on: January 16, 2012, 12:38:21 pm »

Hi Everyone:

I have a gig coming up with a vocal acapella group.  They told me that almost every one of their numbers has 'vocal percussion' (aka beat box) as the rhythm section.  While I have reinforced this type of group before, this is the first time they will be using my wireless, all Beta 87A capsules.

So my questions are:
  • Will vocal percussion damage a Beta 87A capsule? (or any other capsule for that matter)
  • Do dynamic mics (58/Beta 58) sound better with this source?
  • Do external windscreens help or hinder either of the above?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dave
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 02:49:13 pm »

  • Will vocal percussion damage a Beta 87A capsule? (or any other capsule for that matter)
  • Do dynamic mics (58/Beta 58) sound better with this source?
  • Do external windscreens help or hinder either of the above?

Spit is an issue. Windscreens help. Condoms help. Both change the sound, which may or may not be a problem.
Don't be afraid to apply radical EQ unless, of course, they're going to sing into the same mic.
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 04:45:52 pm »

Don't be afraid to apply radical EQ unless, of course, they're going to sing into the same mic.
Wye-ing that channel could be of help if it will be a dual use microphone.
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 07:35:38 pm »

Hi Everyone:

I have a gig coming up with a vocal acapella group.  They told me that almost every one of their numbers has 'vocal percussion' (aka beat box) as the rhythm section.  While I have reinforced this type of group before, this is the first time they will be using my wireless, all Beta 87A capsules.

So my questions are:
  • Will vocal percussion damage a Beta 87A capsule? (or any other capsule for that matter)
  • Do dynamic mics (58/Beta 58) sound better with this source?
  • Do external windscreens help or hinder either of the above?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dave

I did Dougie Fresh (King of Beat Box) and he used a 58. If those guys are true beatboxers, they will emulate real bass drum, bass guitar and everything. You might want to compress but I would be lenient dropping off the low frequencies. They will generally work the mic in a way to balance themselves accordingly.
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 08:50:00 pm »

Use wind screens and throw them away when you're done.That wil also help with the plosives. For my taste I would not be using 87s just due to the tonal characteristics of that mic. But if that's all you have then so be it.
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2012, 09:44:16 am »

Hi Everyone:

I have a gig coming up with a vocal acapella group.  They told me that almost every one of their numbers has 'vocal percussion' (aka beat box) as the rhythm section.  While I have reinforced this type of group before, this is the first time they will be using my wireless, all Beta 87A capsules.

So my questions are:
  • Will vocal percussion damage a Beta 87A capsule? (or any other capsule for that matter)
  • Do dynamic mics (58/Beta 58) sound better with this source?
  • Do external windscreens help or hinder either of the above?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dave
Hey Dave ...quickly buy a used capsule off eBay for under 100 bucks and be done with worrying. Then you will have something for the future that can withstand as much abuse as one can expect a mic to tolerate. I keep a couple capsules just for that so my KSM9s , 87s etc stay 100%.
Add a little extra foam inside the grill if the windscreen isn't accepted.  The 87 sounds pretty ugly when wet.
 My 2cents.
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2012, 12:03:06 pm »

Hey Dave ...quickly buy a used capsule off eBay for under 100 bucks and be done with worrying. Then you will have something for the future that can withstand as much abuse as one can expect a mic to tolerate. I keep a couple capsules just for that so my KSM9s , 87s etc stay 100%.
Add a little extra foam inside the grill if the windscreen isn't accepted.  The 87 sounds pretty ugly when wet.
 My 2cents.
+1. A couple of 58 capsules would probably do a stellar job, and withstand quite a bit of punishment before crapping out.
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2012, 11:00:59 pm »

I've done a few beat boxers. All used 58s except for one who insisted on using some POS $28 mice he brought along. These were JUST beat boxers. I would definitely pick up a 58 capsule or something.

For a capella groups I always leave a 58 on the side for the rhythm section. Make sure you ask if it is only for that though. I usually "y" that input anyhow because the one a capella group I work with always tell me that the mic is for beat box only but they switch it up with their solo mic all the time; especially when using wireless.

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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 12:20:57 am »

Hi Everyone:

I have a gig coming up with a vocal acapella group.  They told me that almost every one of their numbers has 'vocal percussion' (aka beat box) as the rhythm section.  While I have reinforced this type of group before, this is the first time they will be using my wireless, all Beta 87A capsules.

So my questions are:
  • Will vocal percussion damage a Beta 87A capsule? (or any other capsule for that matter)
  • Do dynamic mics (58/Beta 58) sound better with this source?
  • Do external windscreens help or hinder either of the above?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dave
Ok you can buy a bag of windscreens cheap.  Change out the windscreens every break
and toss them like Brad said. Basically its like changing a wet diaper. 
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 08:44:49 am »

Hi Everyone:

I have a gig coming up with a vocal acapella group.  They told me that almost every one of their numbers has 'vocal percussion' (aka beat box) as the rhythm section.  While I have reinforced this type of group before, this is the first time they will be using my wireless, all Beta 87A capsules.

So my questions are:
  • Will vocal percussion damage a Beta 87A capsule? (or any other capsule for that matter)
  • Do dynamic mics (58/Beta 58) sound better with this source?
  • Do external windscreens help or hinder either of the above?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dave

I don't know if dynamics would sound any better, but they would sure take the punishment better. I would personally never put any condenser microphone into the situation you describe.  A Beta58 capsule would be my choice.
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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 11:36:41 am »

I don't know if dynamics would sound any better, but they would sure take the punishment better. I would personally never put any condenser microphone into the situation you describe.  A Beta58 capsule would be my choice.

I'd also consider a Beta57a with windscreen.

That said, last time we worked with Toxic Audio (or Vox Audio, same act/diff name), they requested 2 Beta58 and 6 Beta87 wireless.  IIRC the Beta58s were for beatboxing and the 87s were for the singing.

Great bunch to work with, too.  Just remember "since our soprano married the sound guy, she's louder in the mix."

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Re: "Beat Box" Vocal Percussion into a Shure Beta 87A
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 07:57:50 pm »

Most beatboxers i meet on this side of the earth prefer the sm58. I personally guess its due to the proximity effect they can use to their "advantage".

The mic selection is really up to style. There are a couple of vocal percussionist whom do request for condenser capsules because they prefer the faster response time from a small diaphragm condenser.
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