Ok so i have been taught programming and live show running on a Grand MA, its a great desk, but obviously not something you can run out and just buy to have at the level I am doing light shows. Out side of light jockey at the low end, what is out there? I have not spent time on any Avo stuff but i know they are rider friendly. I also have seen Whole Hog 2 going for under 5k, what would be a user friendly console to walk up to for someone say at a b national act level and be happy with? The Martin maxyzz? The Chamsys opionions? Just some friendly input and experiences would be great. Thanks every one.