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[John Roberts {JR}]

Charlie Zureki wrote on Sat, 27 November 2010 06:58

ps. Careful screening of who enters and exits our Country is the best defense. Harassing little old Ladies, Children, and the Disabled is not a way to deter Bombings.

For those who don't pay attention to the news  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40026355/



This is not checkers but chess, without formal rules so each side adjusts to the other...

Of course the terrorists are trying to disrupt commerce and partially succeeding. I for one would prefer a free market solution to airline security. The vast majority of fliers could be dismissed as potential threats by historical flying patterns, others could be ruled out by personal interviews (by someone more skilled than those minimum wage TSA workers).  

Why does this need to be managed by a last minute barrier search at the airport. It is not that much of a burden for first time fliers to apply for flight clearance in advance of the travel date, then at the airport they only need to prove who they are with iris scan or something less invasive than full body cavity searches.

Of course opinions vary...  The government needs to be involved, but historically they prove inept at doing any actual work.

JR

edit- I wonder if that young man would have made it past El Al's verbal interview, convincing an experienced security person he was indeed an old man. Electronic speech pattern analysis might reveal some incongruity (or not).

During the avian flu scare, some asian airports use infra red cameras to identify passengers with elevated body temperatures. An IR scan might reveal an unusual skin temperature pattern from the disguise.  /edit

[Charlie Zureki]

  Hello JR.

 I am aware of News Reports. Although it seems to be clear that this young man did not have specific Terrrorist intentions (at least not on this flight), he should have been caught.

 Don't they compare passport Photos with the actual person?  I know there was some type of identification, but...from the News Report, it doesn't sound like it was comprehensive

 Apparently, there was a bulletin issued to watch for this guy, based on his Old Man description with "young hands". If someone was suspicious in HONG KONG, they never should have allowed him on the flight.

  Anyway...he flew into Canada. It's their problem, let them deal with it....not that I have a problem with Canada   ...but, We, of the States, have plenty of problems and the biggest being Stupid Laws & Regulations and putting our trust in Uneducated Morons.

  Hammer

 

[Jeff Wheeler]

I have a strong opinion about the political aspects of this that I won't get into due to the forum rules.

On the practical side of things, though, I will say that the airlines, airports, and government folks really need to work on making the process more efficient.  I should not have to allocate two hours to being in the airport to ensure that I will not miss my flight because a school field trip is ahead of me in the security line.  I hope these new scanning devices improve the process so we can get back to the days when I could arrive at most airports 20 minutes before a flight and not have to run.

Airports are stressful for travelers now, too.  Remember when most people worried that they might forget to take their watch off or put their car keys in the tray when they stepped through the metal detector?  Man, what a silly thing to worry about.  "Sorry, sir, check your pockets and step through again."  Now, most people you see in line who are not frequent travelers are worried about being randomly selected for an embarrassing search.  That's no way to start your vacation.  The whole atmosphere of the airport has changed in the past ten years due to this security paranoia.  What a shame that is.

I hope the airlines figure out how to improve these things.  I have not traveled by air (except for work) in years, and I won't do so again until they earn my money by making the process less aggravating.  There are plenty of nice vacation spots within a day's drive.

Besides, I can smoke in my truck.  Remember when they let you smoke on the planes?  Man, those were the days!

[Iain_Macdonald]

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/11/tsa_backscatte r.html

A bit of reading on the issue, with some interesting links.

Iain.

[Charlotte Evans]

I lose count of how many flights I do a year....on the whole I find security pretty painless really; remove laptop, empty pockets, take off shoes etc.
However on one trip I did not "set off" the arch but a strutting bint insisted on patting me down, actually groping is for want a better word. I was not wearing an underwired bra (which would have probably triggered the arch anyway) but she still hooked her fingers under my bra cups and then proceeded to slide her fingers inside my underwear .....made me feel quite sick and violated. The whole episode was purposely intimidating and I daresay if I complained they would have possibly denied me boarding.
I certainly have no problem with a regular pat down but this was waaaaay over the top.

Another time I was travelling from a tiny airport in the darkest depths of Russia and a male security bod tried to pat me down, I certainly wasn't having any of that! Fortunately our Russian interpreter/TM barked at him to get a female to do it. They didn't have a female on duty so they just let me through.

[Matt Collins]

Woman forced to undergo genital pat down due to sanitary napkin:

SOURCE:
http://blog.gladrags.com/2010/11/24/tsa-groin-searches-menst ruating-woman/

[Mike Butler (media)]

Clarke LaPlante wrote on Sat, 27 November 2010 03:01

The other health concern, which some doctors have just recently voiced their opinion on, has to do with the "pat-down" procedure and the fact that TSA agents do not use clean gloves for each search.  This certainly increases the risk of transmission of germs and bacteria from one subject to the next during a physical search. For me, the most important issue is, of course, the Constitutional one, for both the imaging scanners and the pat-downs.  There are plenty of other less violating, more effective ways to determine if someone is trying to bring a dangerous substance onto a plane.  Explosive-sniffing dogs and trace-swiping are two that come to mind. -C

Well said, Clarke.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=232457

Quote:

Syphilis, lice, gonorrhea, ringworm, chlamydia, staph, strep, noro and papilloma viruses all are part of the possible fringe benefits when airline passengers next go through a full hands-on pat-down by agents of the federal government's Transportation Security Administration, according to doctors. WND reported two days ago on alarmed passengers who noted that TSA agents doing the pat-downs that have been described by critics as molestation since they include touching private body parts were not changing gloves between passengers. In fact, some apparently were patting down dozens of passengers or more wearing the same gloves. But neither the TSA nor federal agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control was willing to comment on the possibilities that infections and other loathsome afflictions could be passed from passenger to passenger. ...

Quote:

Amendment Four: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[Matt Collins]

         

You can get HERPES from going through airport security:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/barefoot-airport-passengers.h tml

[Tony "T" Tissot]

[Justice C. Bigler]

Mike Butler (media) wrote on Sat, 27 November 2010 12:32

Clarke LaPlante wrote on Sat, 27 November 2010 03:01 The other health concern, which some doctors have just recently voiced their opinion on, has to do with the "pat-down" procedure and the fact that TSA agents do not use clean gloves for each search.  This certainly increases the risk of transmission of germs and bacteria from one subject to the next during a physical search. For me, the most important issue is, of course, the Constitutional one, for both the imaging scanners and the pat-downs.  There are plenty of other less violating, more effective ways to determine if someone is trying to bring a dangerous substance onto a plane.  Explosive-sniffing dogs and trace-swiping are two that come to mind. -C Well said, Clarke. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=232457 Quote:    Syphilis, lice, gonorrhea, ringworm, chlamydia, staph, strep, noro and papilloma viruses all are part of the possible fringe benefits when airline passengers next go through a full hands-on pat-down by agents of the federal government's Transportation Security Administration, according to doctors. WND reported two days ago on alarmed passengers who noted that TSA agents doing the pat-downs that have been described by critics as molestation since they include touching private body parts were not changing gloves between passengers. In fact, some apparently were patting down dozens of passengers or more wearing the same gloves. But neither the TSA nor federal agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control was willing to comment on the possibilities that infections and other loathsome afflictions could be passed from passenger to passenger. ...

OMG you've figured out the terrorists real secret plan! Their intention is to kill everyone in our country one STD at a time, and the TSA and HS are playing right into it! Maybe they are upset because one of their grandfather's college room mates was from Tuskegee, AL, and they took a blood oath to avenge each others death.

Wouldn't be the first time our Government turned a blind eye to purposefully infecting people with all kinds of diseases.

Pornography or TSATDs (Transportation Security Administration Transmitted Diseases): pick your poison. Welcome to the 21st Century.