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[Jeff Knorr - Cobra Sound]

Where are the groups/VCAs?

What's the MSRP or MAP?

[Grant Conklin]

Caleb Dick wrote on Sat, 11 September 2010 07:26

The only semi-competitor to the 01V96 is the Presonus, they tried.  The 01V96 is more anomaly than target. Even a good 16x8 DSP costs more than that, and that doesn't include a surface. The LS9 is the current bare-bones, no-digi-snake target.

Oh Please Caleb (yes folks,we're friends, so I can be that direct). I love the 01V96, but I don't buy the notion that making something better for the same money can't be done in the amount of time it's been out - which is how long now, 8 years or something?  We're talking about a computer, some code, some AD/DA and a control surface. If you look at the cost of 8x8 recording pre's, building 16-32 channel boards in the $2-4K range shouldn't be so far off.  

A while back I was talking to a product rep who had delved into manufacturing a bit.  He said you'd be amazed at how many products cost $50 to make in China and end up costing the consumer $500.  Now, I know people need to make profit along the way, but whenever I hear that something can't be done for a certain price, I think of that illustration.

Grant

[Caleb Dick]

Direct is fine.  If it's fairly simple to build well and sell at a competitive price point (we'll say $2500 MAP), why has it not been done?  What other higher-priced lines would suffer?  Overall would manufacturers gain or loose total profit (operational expenses, growth, R&D, etc)?  

My wish for a micro board is something like Q-Sys or Aspen or Netmax, with single Catx for control and optional local audio via optional surface, or iPad or other.  The iDR-16 is pretty close, and has slot and processing power for expansion. If it had one more slot...

Would be great if the iDR4 and 8 could be incorporated into the iLive(T) family.

Pricing not set yet on the new Soundcrafts, see my educated guesses earlier.

[Grant Conklin]

Caleb Dick wrote on Sat, 11 September 2010 19:35

...If it's fairly simple to build well and sell at a competitive price point (we'll say $2500 MAP), why has it not been done?  What other higher-priced lines would suffer?

I think that's the answer right there - higher priced lines might suffer.  Or perhaps more accurately, the margins are just so much better on higher priced lines.  I don't think it's that it can't be done competitively.  Which is why it presents opportunity for a brand like Crest to enter the market.  

The StudioLive does leave some things to be desired for the pro market, but it's really not so far off the mark that some improvements (motorized faders, more effective eq...) wouldn't justify a moderately higher price point.  

Grant

[Kristian Johnsen]

Caleb Dick wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 23:15

The Soundcraft website has something new and interesting: http://www.soundcraft.com/products/product.aspx?pid=182

Groups:  0

Weird  

[Marcus Thiel]

maybe you use one of the 14 Aux sends ...  

[John B. Miller]

I'd love to see them come out with an 8-input 8-output version of this desk, for those small yet important podium or coffee house gigs. I hate carting around a sleeve with GEQ and FX that's bigger than my mixer...

[Kristian Johnsen]

Marcus Thiel wrote on Sun, 12 September 2010 12:27

maybe you use one of the 14 Aux sends ...

It has 18 aux btw.

So if the user wants to compress a group of vocals, he'd have to burn up two aux, compress those, and route back in to two channels, eating up those as well?  I'd think routing the vocals to a normal stereo group, compressing that, and hitting "group to mix" would be a better option...

[Milt Hathaway]

Kristian Johnsen wrote on Sun, 12 September 2010 09:44

Marcus Thiel wrote on Sun, 12 September 2010 12:27 maybe you use one of the 14 Aux sends ...   It has 18 aux btw. So if the user wants to compress a group of vocals, he'd have to burn up two aux, compress those, and route back in to two channels, eating up those as well?

That's how it works on many of the Big Boy digital consoles (without the "route back in to two channels", of course.)

And why would it take two auxes?

[Rick Stansby]

Milt Hathaway wrote on Sun, 12 September 2010 07:48

Kristian Johnsen wrote on Sun, 12 September 2010 09:44 Marcus Thiel wrote on Sun, 12 September 2010 12:27 maybe you use one of the 14 Aux sends ...   It has 18 aux btw. So if the user wants to compress a group of vocals, he'd have to burn up two aux, compress those, and route back in to two channels, eating up those as well? That's how it works on many of the Big Boy digital consoles (without the "route back in to two channels", of course.)

This is not just an issue in the digital world.  Many VCA desks use flexible busses that can be groups or aux sends (APB, Midas...).  Even the (Non VCA) Yamaha GA series has 10 busses, 4 of which can be groups.  

Regarding routing into two channels, most mixers with flexible busses allow you to route them directly to L,R.  I don't know if this Soundcraft works that way.

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