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Silas Pradetto

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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2010, 02:21:40 pm »

(Brian) Frost wrote on Wed, 08 September 2010 14:36

hopefully they wont hit the limiters so much if I put enough rig for the gig.



Where are you living?

A DJ will ALWAYS use EVERY LAST OUNCE of rig you give him.

I provided for DJ Green Lantern, a national act himself.

HIS MONITORS were a pair of biamped Community TFR64S, with a pair of double 15 subs under them. You're talking about 10,000 watts of DJ monitor, and HE USED IT ALL.

His DJ monitor setup would be ideal for a several hundred person club...but that's what it took to make him happy, 3 feet away.
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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2010, 04:04:52 pm »

Jimmy Wright wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 12:16

Look up Bill Fitzmaurice

Better yet, buy mine!
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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2010, 09:02:48 pm »

unfortunately true, the dj's will use all I give them.  Maybe I should just consider boxes with a longer warranty since limiters dont guarantee driver safety.

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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2010, 09:16:45 pm »

(Brian) Frost wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 18:02

unfortunately true, the dj's will use all I give them.  Maybe I should just consider boxes with a longer warranty since limiters dont guarantee driver safety.

Smile


The only mfgr I know that will warranty abused drivers is Yorkville.
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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2010, 09:33:43 pm »

Mike Pyle wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 21:16

(Brian) Frost wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 18:02

unfortunately true, the dj's will use all I give them.  Maybe I should just consider boxes with a longer warranty since limiters dont guarantee driver safety.

Smile


The only mfgr I know that will warranty abused drivers is Yorkville.


Yep. Yorkville's 2 year "even if you break it" warranty is hard to beat.

The LS1208 is hard to beat for cheap & loud for DJ's.



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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2010, 01:46:20 am »

Stuart Pendleton wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 08:46

Specs say the low freq extension of the JBL is 2 hz lower in singles, max SPL of both cabinets is identical, and you can get there with less power to the LS1208.  What's the downside?

The SRX specs are in full-space, so add 6dB to them unless you are flying these non-flyable subwoofers (and wonder at why JBL does not correct the cut sheet!)

I agree the LS1208 is a good sub at a good price.  The SRX is clearly better, though.  A/B them!  I put some into a nightclub today and I am very confident they were the best choice for the job.  After hearing the system, so is the customer! Smile
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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2010, 10:09:27 am »

Jeff Wheeler wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 01:46

Stuart Pendleton wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 08:46

Specs say the low freq extension of the JBL is 2 hz lower in singles, max SPL of both cabinets is identical, and you can get there with less power to the LS1208.  What's the downside?

The SRX specs are in full-space, so add 6dB to them unless you are flying these non-flyable subwoofers (and wonder at why JBL does not correct the cut sheet!)

I agree the LS1208 is a good sub at a good price.  The SRX is clearly better, though.  A/B them!  I put some into a nightclub today and I am very confident they were the best choice for the job.  After hearing the system, so is the customer! Smile


Have you had a chance to A/B them Jeff? I have. The LS1208 is simply louder with less power. It's not as tight or nice sounding as an SRX728, but it makes DJ's happy. I frequently see them in DJ applications and always recommend them. You can run a smaller amp on them and have headroom for days. They're loaded with a NEO b&c driver that can handle a shit load of abuse. And, even if you do manage to blow it up, Yorkville will replace it in the first 2 years!

I'm not saying the SRX728 is a bad sub, because it's not at all. I actually like it quite a bit, but for people on a budget, you won't beat the LS1208.

Just for some comparison:

LS1208:
1200w PRG
8ohms
105dB 1w/1m
35-200hz +/- 3dB (I've measure this though, and a single unit is -3 around 45hz)

SRX728:
3200w PRG
4ohms
98dB 1w/1m
33-220hz (I've measured this though, and it's more like -3 @ 40hz with no DSP)

The SRX728 wins for extension in singles, but once you start adding LS1208's together, the SRX728 stands no chance. You can also save on amp power and drive the LS1208's with a much smaller amp to get the same(or more) SPL.

Jeff, It's really a no brainer here. For someone trying to get loud on a budget, the LS1208 can't be beat. Especially for DJ use. You could drive a block of 4 on a single IT4000 and have enough SPL and LF extension for days. I've seen and heard DJ's do similar and the results are impressive. Yes, they are large cabinets, but if they're not going to be moved, then who cares?



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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2010, 10:43:29 am »

I agree Evan.  I have heard the SRX a number of times and they are OK.  I bought 4 LS1208s, run them from either an XTI6000 or an ITech6000 depending on the rack I take, and have no complaints. Not the tightest cab, they sure do make me money.  They are NOT Danleys, but the sonic difference between these run right and the SRX was not nearly enough to justify the difference in money.  I won't be stepping up until I can afford something much more substantial, if at all.

EDIT: Evan, I am running 4 QRX212s over 4 LS1208s which is what you mentioned and I have to say that it does work well for me.  My primary client is a modern country band that needs a fat bottom so it may just be the style of music lends itself to this system, but NO ONE has had anything negative to say when they hear the rig...but of course I am not working A or B level nationals, just regional and the occaisonal C national
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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2010, 10:44:10 am »

Silas Pradetto wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 14:21

(Brian) Frost wrote on Wed, 08 September 2010 14:36

hopefully they wont hit the limiters so much if I put enough rig for the gig.



Where are you living?

A DJ will ALWAYS use EVERY LAST OUNCE of rig you give him.

I provided for DJ Green Lantern, a national act himself.

HIS MONITORS were a pair of biamped Community TFR64S, with a pair of double 15 subs under them. You're talking about 10,000 watts of DJ monitor, and HE USED IT ALL.

His DJ monitor setup would be ideal for a several hundred person club...but that's what it took to make him happy, 3 feet away.

LOL, ya'lls DJ stories always crack me up.  Green Lantern must be going deaf... I never want monitors THAT loud nor do I want a ton of low-end bass beside me when I'm spinning, ESPECIALLY if I'm using turntables (which I assume he does).

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Re: cost effective dj rig?
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2010, 12:10:48 pm »

Evan Kirkendall wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 10:09



Just for some comparison:

LS1208:
1200w PRG
8ohms
105dB 1w/1m
35-200hz +/- 3dB (I've measure this though, and a single unit is -3 around 45hz)

SRX728:
3200w PRG
4ohms
98dB 1w/1m
33-220hz (I've measured this though, and it's more like -3 @ 40hz with no DSP)





Evan



Hey Evan,


Just to kinda bring some clarification.  The SRX728 with 2 volts at 1 meter (1W/1M) does in fact average 103-104dB from 40-100hz on the ground.  (Goes along with the SRX718 averaging 100-101dB)



So it brings it closer to efficiency of the LS1208, *but* the LS1208 will still seems to get a touch louder with less power from my playing around with it.  As it looks like you mentioned the LS1208 not as smooth as the SRX728, and has a slight boomy quality to it, that can be tamed decently, but still isn't as smooth as the SRX728.  Even though as you mention the SRX728 probably does have an advantage down low, the distortion rises much quicker below 40hz.  The SRX718 and SRX728 really seem to be designed for high output above 45-50hz, and they do a great job of that for not a ton of money as an entry level pro sub.



I haven't been able to test what kind of SPL the LS1208 would actually put out in the real world with the distortion tests I have been running.  But from my SRX718 tests where from 50hz and up it was between 127-131dB with ~900 watts.  So you could figure the SRX728 would be in the 133-136dB region.  So it would be interesting to see what actual measured SPL an LS1208 would produce, because it does get loud.  The LS1208 is a touch bigger, just under 20% bigger, so nothing crazy.



Still for the money, if you are looking for lots of SPL on a budget the LS1208 is definitely towards the top. So that is why I think it is a very good option in the instance.  If the OP is looking to go a step up and doesn't mind spending a touch more money the SRX728 is definitely hard to beat for a dual-18" in its price range.


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