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Old Peavey SP1 cabs, what's the deal?
« on: August 06, 2010, 10:22:42 pm »

Hi all,
I'm cleaning out the garage and posted a pair of old SP1's for sale. They were given to me and I know nothing about them other than they are HUGE cabs and look ancient. I figured they were beyond old school and someone might make a work bench out of them.

The thing is... I've had a number of responses of people wanting these things. Heh, heh, heh...Now I'm starting to wonder! Do these things sound great when working properly or something? I've done some searching and found that they are supposed to sound pretty good and get very loud with little power, of course that's all subjective. I've also seen where people in the past have used them with project 2 cabs? Any users of them with comments? I'd love to have some cabs for bigger outdoor gigs but these??

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Re: Old Peavey SP1 cabs, what's the deal?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2010, 11:57:14 pm »

those are some of the oldest ones, the newer ones have a brace in front. These are pre-black widow. They are some of the most efficient speakers ever sold, and as I recall they sound decent for what they are. Certainly not the best sounding cabs around, but loud.
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2010, 08:46:32 am »

These are "work horses".  The people that remember them, usually remember how well they performed for their size.  They are tough and extremely efficient (loud).  With some "love" on the EQ.. they can sound decent enough ... especially for your typical struggling bar bands with NO budget who won't care about lugging around old dinosaurs!
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2010, 09:53:09 am »

If I were forced to guess which combo had more bar gigs than any other, I would say that these (or the old SP2's) coupled with an XR600 would be the winner.  Affordable, loud, and don't sound too bad for the money.

It amazes me that these were so loud with just 300 watts running into them.  Loud vs. quality of sound......well, that's a whole other issue.  But, as stated earlier, they were workhorses.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2010, 08:14:17 pm »

Here you go (found this)... elevate the SP1 above crotch level..

http://sales.jack.ch/images/DSC04058_Peavey_Mark3.JPG
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Re: Old Peavey SP1 cabs, what's the deal?
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2010, 07:03:02 am »

Anyone notice the mint-condition old style Peavey SP2s in the assembly hall in the beginning and at the end of the Bad Lieutenant movie?

Seeing it reminded me that I had a couple laying around at the warehouse taking up space, so I dismanteled them the next day.  Reading this thread almost made me regret it  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2010, 12:15:41 pm »

They can be quite beamy in the high end (like many older horns), but a little piece of foam stuck partway down the throat takes care of it.

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2010, 12:18:05 pm »

in 1978 I went to Biasco Music in Chicago and bought a Peavey XR-600B (B means in flight case) and two SP-1 spekaers - these things were huge and a pain but I tell for that time and the cost they did well. By 1990, I have 6 of them run by CS-800's and we stacked them THREE HIGH for the look - man we were crazy - this brough back a lot of memories of these monster cabs - albeit, low budget and not great sounding they were the standard for the rock back then - makes me laugh as I think of our parnents help stacking and roping these on top of station wagons for us to get us to a show.

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2010, 01:59:54 pm »

I inherited a pair of the old SP-1s from my Dad's nightclub back in the early 80's. I did every school sock hop and fraternity pary around for years. I hauled them around in my Corolla hatch back with 2 Technics turntables, a CS-400,a homemade light bar, and 2 big boxes of albums!

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Re: Old Peavey SP1 cabs, what's the deal?
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2010, 02:37:55 pm »

Hey thanks for the input guys. I'm still getting more and more calls, people wanting to buy them. So far I have a guy that wants to drive 3 hours (one way) and pay a hundred bucks for them. Sounds crazy to me.

I might just have to hook them up once before I sell them, just for fun.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2010, 04:25:36 pm »

Jason James wrote on Sun, 08 August 2010 12:37

Hey thanks for the input guys. I'm still getting more and more calls, people wanting to buy them. So far I have a guy that wants to drive 3 hours (one way) and pay a hundred bucks for them. Sounds crazy to me.

I might just have to hook them up once before I sell them, just for fun.

They are loud, don’t have any highs or lows, and are fairly peaky in between.

For  shop speakers, or a noisy drunken club scene, they work fine, assuming they are working .

Get an adapter and plug your Ipod in directly, if you haven’t hooked them up already.  You will be surprised how loud they are, if they are working.
If they are not working, you should say so in your ad.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 03:01:40 am »

Bringing this back up because I was wondering...

Fella trying to sell 4 of them for $400.  I haven't seen what condition they are in, but I'll probably say yes if they've all got black widows in good shape...

I've been looking at posts about these cabs and from what I've read they've got a "hole" in freq response from 500-800hz.  Now here's where I'm a little confused, because if I'm reading the specs on the black-widow correctly, Peavy is saying 40-2khz for them.  So why not change the x-over freq from 500 to 800, seems like a relatively simple thing to do, my head can't wrap around the physical cabinet not allowing a higher freq to come out of the cabs ?

Thanks for any response!

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 08:12:01 am »

isaac anthony wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 03:01

Bringing this back up because I was wondering...

Fella trying to sell 4 of them for $400.  I haven't seen what condition they are in, but I'll probably say yes if they've all got black widows in good shape...

I've been looking at posts about these cabs and from what I've read they've got a "hole" in freq response from 500-800hz.  Now here's where I'm a little confused, because if I'm reading the specs on the black-widow correctly, Peavy is saying 40-2khz for them.  So why not change the x-over freq from 500 to 800, seems like a relatively simple thing to do, my head can't wrap around the physical cabinet not allowing a higher freq to come out of the cabs ?

Thanks for any response!



I am not sure about the later cabinets-but the early ones all used a stamped frame Eminance driver-not Black Widowns.

The reason their is a hole is that the low feq is horn loaded and it doesn't go real high.  And the High freq driver (22A) doesn't go that low.

Raising the crossover would not do anything to fix that.

But for what they are-they were a pretty impressive cabinet for the price-back in the day.

For what it is worth, I tried an expirement with a friend of mine on his pair.  I swapped out one of the eminance woofers with a premium JBL (2225) and the other eminance loaded cabinet ran circles around the JBL loaded one.

The reason was that the cabinet was designed around the Eminance driver and the JBL was not designed for horn loading (especially that horn) so it did not work as well.

Then we put them in regular ported boxes and the JBL outran the Eminance.

With horn cabinets- you cannot "improve" the sound just by putting "better" drivers in it.  The drivers have to work in that particular design.
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2010, 04:35:58 pm »

Thanks for the info, Ivan.

So I found this on another forum.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/smoothnads/gear/HC/live%20sound/fh1.jpg

Looks like the horn does decent up til 700-800hz and gets pretty bad around 1k.

I wish I knew the context of the graph and how they set up the x-over to get those results, because that actually looks fairly decent to me.  I would probably tri-amp the setup and get some decent subs to get some good low-end.

But yeah, I think if they have the black-widows in decent shape I'll probably pick them up...
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2010, 08:13:49 pm »

Isaac,
The OP referenced the SP-1. The graphic you posted is for the FH-1. Two different animals. Just wanted to bring that to your attention so that you know for sure while you consider your purchase.

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2010, 08:22:09 pm »

Mark Meagher wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 19:13

Isaac,
The OP referenced the SP-1. The graphic you posted is for the FH-1. Two different animals. Just wanted to bring that to your attention so that you know for sure while you consider your purchase.




Fair enough.

To clarify, the seller said what he's got is (4) "MFX-1 high frequency horns and a pair of FH-1 folded horns".

Which I thought were the individual components to the sp1 ?

That's why I put the graph up.  According to the other info presented about the sp1, the MFX go down to about 800hz, which looks like it would work fine, if that is the correct SPL for the FH1...
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2010, 08:29:40 pm »

Isaac,
To clarify...the low speaker component of the SP-1 is the FH-1. The graph that you posted is for the FH-1 alone. If you were looking for a graph on the SP-1, the one you posted could serve to further confuse as it is not a response for the entire SP-1 box. I hope that makes sense.  Laughing

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2010, 12:01:04 am »

Mark Meagher wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 19:29

Isaac,
To clarify...the low speaker component of the SP-1 is the FH-1. The graph that you posted is for the FH-1 alone. If you were looking for a graph on the SP-1, the one you posted could serve to further confuse as it is not a response for the entire SP-1 box. I hope that makes sense.  Laughing




I understand.  I'm a little confused as to how much of a "hole" there is in the freq response of the entire configuration if the MPX don't start rolling off up until 700-800hz.  It would be nice to have a graph for the system as a whole...
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2010, 07:01:29 am »

The low freq. section of the SP-1 is of course the FH-1 low freq enclosure. The FH-1 / MFX-1 were a split version on the SP-1.
The FH-1 is a horn loaded Low Freq. box with a low freq limit of 58hz. Run the box below this freq and the driver unloads in the enclosure. Running the risk of excursion problems. A low cut of 58hz would be recommended. The fh-1 is more of a higher output low freq box than a sub.

http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301013.pdf

http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301017.pdf

I had the first sp-1 enclosures and I don't remember a big drop in output around 500/800 hz. The crossover point was 500hz between horn and low mid. The MB-2 was the midrange box designed to go with the mfx-1/fh-1 combo. I believe it was called Project 2.

http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301016.pdf

The SP-1 and mfx-1/mb-2/fh-1 are some boxes that I would like to see eq'ed and time aligned with smaart to see what they could really do.
With a proper sub section they would be quite loud with just a few watts.


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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2010, 08:43:26 am »

regardless what all the specs say, how it sounds is what is important. FH1's sounded good with kick drum. They wouldn't handle techno, with it's synthesized low frequencies, but they were fine for rock music, bass guitar and kick. Back then Peavey didn't have to worry so much about how the specs looked on paper, people just wanted something to sound good and go loud with whatever amps were available then. The big horns caused a bit of a drop above 12k as I recall when I would RTA mine, but there again, a nitpick would miss the "air", but the vocals still were crisp and audible.
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2010, 09:30:37 am »

David A. Parker wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 08:43

regardless what all the specs say, how it sounds is what is important. FH1's sounded good with kick drum. They wouldn't handle techno, with it's synthesized low frequencies, but they were fine for rock music, bass guitar and kick. Back then Peavey didn't have to worry so much about how the specs looked on paper, people just wanted something to sound good and go loud with whatever amps were available then. The big horns caused a bit of a drop above 12k as I recall when I would RTA mine, but there again, a nitpick would miss the "air", but the vocals still were crisp and audible.

It wasn't the horns that were causing the HF dip-the drivers themselves didn't go that high.

But they were loud down in the vocal range-very durable-cheap to put dipahragms in and you could get replacements in just about any town across the US.  A very good thing for the average working band.  The 22A helped out a lot of bands.
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2010, 05:29:09 pm »

Douglas R. Allen wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 06:01

The low freq. section of the SP-1 is of course the FH-1 low freq enclosure. The FH-1 / MFX-1 were a split version on the SP-1.
The FH-1 is a horn loaded Low Freq. box with a low freq limit of 58hz. Run the box below this freq and the driver unloads in the enclosure. Running the risk of excursion problems. A low cut of 58hz would be recommended. The fh-1 is more of a higher output low freq box than a sub.

 http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301013.pdf

 http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301017.pdf

I had the first sp-1 enclosures and I don't remember a big drop in output around 500/800 hz. The crossover point was 500hz between horn and low mid. The MB-2 was the midrange box designed to go with the mfx-1/fh-1 combo. I believe it was called Project 2.

 http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301016.pdf

The SP-1 and mfx-1/mb-2/fh-1 are some boxes that I would like to see eq'ed and time aligned with smaart to see what they could really do.
With a proper sub section they would be quite loud with just a few watts.


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Douglas, thanks!

I knew there had to be something missing.

So the MB2 was loaded with BW as well, but just because of how it was shaped and/or x-over it covered the "hole" that has been mentioned prior.

I actually am looking at these for mostly dance music and was counting on buying a couple SRX728s or similar to pair with the combo that has been offered to me.  Looks like I should keep my eyes open for the MB2's and ditch the FH1's altogether...
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2010, 06:09:45 pm »

isaac anthony wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 16:29

Douglas R. Allen wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 06:01

The low freq. section of the SP-1 is of course the FH-1 low freq enclosure. The FH-1 / MFX-1 were a split version on the SP-1.
The FH-1 is a horn loaded Low Freq. box with a low freq limit of 58hz. Run the box below this freq and the driver unloads in the enclosure. Running the risk of excursion problems. A low cut of 58hz would be recommended. The fh-1 is more of a higher output low freq box than a sub.

  http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301013.pdf

  http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301017.pdf

I had the first sp-1 enclosures and I don't remember a big drop in output around 500/800 hz. The crossover point was 500hz between horn and low mid. The MB-2 was the midrange box designed to go with the mfx-1/fh-1 combo. I believe it was called Project 2.

  http://www.peavey.com/assets/literature/manuals/80301016.pdf

The SP-1 and mfx-1/mb-2/fh-1 are some boxes that I would like to see eq'ed and time aligned with smaart to see what they could really do.
With a proper sub section they would be quite loud with just a few watts.


Douglas R. Allen




Douglas, thanks!

I knew there had to be something missing.

So the MB2 was loaded with BW as well, but just because of how it was shaped and/or x-over it covered the "hole" that has been mentioned prior.

I actually am looking at these for mostly dance music and was counting on buying a couple SRX728s or similar to pair with the combo that has been offered to me.  Looks like I should keep my eyes open for the MB2's and ditch the FH1's altogether...


I think the MB2 had a 12 in it. Of course, it was horn loaded, not a folded horn. The driver was forward facing but set back in the cab, with a horn in front of the driver. I'm sure if anyone did smaart measurements on one of the old project 2 setups, they'd find some serious alignment problems. But still, they sounded decent and were extremely efficient. I heard at least 3 concerts that used project 2 setups, and I owned a pair of SP1's, the later version that were separates.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2010, 07:49:32 pm »

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Douglas, thanks!

I knew there had to be something missing.

So the MB2 was loaded with BW as well, but just because of how it was shaped and/or x-over it covered the "hole" that has been mentioned prior.

I actually am looking at these for mostly dance music and was counting on buying a couple SRX728s or similar to pair with the combo that has been offered to me.  Looks like I should keep my eyes open for the MB2's and ditch the FH1's altogether...[/quote]

The MB-2 were designed to work with the FH-1's. Sad to say but they only go down to 250hz. Like the FH-1 ( "F"olded "H"orn) but in a direct horn loaded form the MB-2 ("M"id "B"ass) is horn loaded box and will unload below 250hz.  

A good setup would be.
Mfx-1 for highs 12k down to 1.2k
Mb-2 for 1.2k down to 250hz
Fh-1 for 80 to 250.
A good 2-18 box for 80hz and below.
A 4 way system.

Second best would be.
Horn 12k to 800hz
Fh-1 800hz to 80hz
Sub 80hz and below.
Stack you SRX subs upright and put the fh-1's and mfx-1 on top. I would just run 1 horn per 1 fh-1 sub stack.
Long ago I used a PL-800eq can on my Sp1s and they sounded fine. The FH-1s seemed to me *at the time* back in 1989 or so to sound ok crossover at 800hz.

You would have to have a crossover with good amount of delay but if you can get these boxes cheep it may be a good bar band,music playback system. Question is would you want to lug it with all the modern boxes out there? As an install this of course would not be an issue. Still it would be fun to hear one set up right.

As a side note there was a band in my town that had 4 of the mb-2s in a garage. I'll ask if they are still around. It has been a few years. They may have gone to a bonfire.

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