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[Adam Pace]

GOOD MORNING ALL!!!

My church has recently decided to upgrade our console into the digital era. I use the ls9 on a regular basis and feel that it is a great fit for our needs.

Then I look at the 01v96. Although I have never stood behind one, the price tag is very tantilizing.

What are the differences between the ls9 and the 01v96?

Feel free to offer both technicial specification differences as well as opinions in navigation, feel, sound, or just pros and cons of what y'all have experienced.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Adam

[Brad Harris]

They are completely different consoles, with completely different I/O #'s

What do you need to do with said console? (inputs, outputs, routing, etc)

GOOD MORNING ALL!!!

My church has recently decided to upgrade our console into the digital era. I use the ls9 on a regular basis and feel that it is a great fit for our needs.

Then I look at the 01v96. Although I have never stood behind one, the price tag is very tantilizing.

What are the differences between the ls9 and the 01v96?

Feel free to offer both technicial specification differences as well as opinions in navigation, feel, sound, or just pros and cons of what y'all have experienced.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Adam

[Adam Pace]

They are completely different consoles, with completely different I/O #'s

What do you need to do with said console? (inputs, outputs, routing, etc)

I was really looking for opinions on differences in navigation. What you liked on one that isn't on the other. Page layout, recallable headamps, Flashdrive capabilities for playback, recording, scene loading/saving. internal routing flexibility. etc.

It needs to meet the basic church praise and worship requirements and be expandable to at least 32 channels. Our church is not huge but it is growing. The system that I inherited when I joined, although ample in power and system processing, the console they chose is a 16ch Soundcraft spirit fx series. To say the least, we have outgrown. Now that I have thought about it, I am leaning towards an ls9-32, but if the the 01v96 has ample expandability options, then it will still be in the running.

On any given Sunday, we run about 6 vocal handhelds, 3 lavs, keys, 2 condensers for choir, assundry guitars, bass, mandolin, other random instruments ran on DI, CD player, Laptop playback.

Outputs: Main stereo mix. 4 monitor mixes. Stereo recording mix. Hearing impaired mono sum.

I am aware of most of the tech specifications of both consoles and really only have a few questions about the 01v96

Does it offer the same internal geq and fx processing as the ls9? How does it differ? How many slots does it have for fx/geq's?

How many expandability options does it offer?

Automated faders right?

And any other insights you have.

[Daniel Cash]

GOOD MORNING ALL!!!

My church has recently decided to upgrade our console into the digital era. I use the ls9 on a regular basis and feel that it is a great fit for our needs.

Then I look at the 01v96. Although I have never stood behind one, the price tag is very tantilizing.

What are the differences between the ls9 and the 01v96?

Feel free to offer both technicial specification differences as well as opinions in navigation, feel, sound, or just pros and cons of what y'all have experienced.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Adam

Adam,

I come from a church background, and understand the environment.

I also own and regularly use the 01v96 for bar band gigs.  I really like the 01v96, and the power and flexibility it offers at such a low price point, but i dont think it is the right fit for a church.   In my opinion the user interface on the 01v96 is just not as approachable as the LS9. For training volunteers or worship team members (especially if they are new to digital), the LS9 is the way to go. 

[Lee Buckalew]

I was really looking for opinions on differences in navigation. What you liked on one that isn't on the other. Page layout, recallable headamps, Flashdrive capabilities for playback, recording, scene loading/saving. internal routing flexibility. etc.

It needs to meet the basic church praise and worship requirements and be expandable to at least 32 channels. Our church is not huge but it is growing. The system that I inherited when I joined, although ample in power and system processing, the console they chose is a 16ch Soundcraft spirit fx series. To say the least, we have outgrown. Now that I have thought about it, I am leaning towards an ls9-32, but if the the 01v96 has ample expandability options, then it will still be in the running.

On any given Sunday, we run about 6 vocal handhelds, 3 lavs, keys, 2 condensers for choir, assundry guitars, bass, mandolin, other random instruments ran on DI, CD player, Laptop playback.

Outputs: Main stereo mix. 4 monitor mixes. Stereo recording mix. Hearing impaired mono sum.

I am aware of most of the tech specifications of both consoles and really only have a few questions about the 01v96

Does it offer the same internal geq and fx processing as the ls9? How does it differ? How many slots does it have for fx/geq's?

How many expandability options does it offer?

Automated faders right?

And any other insights you have.

Not sure what you mean by "slots for fx/geq's".  There are no built in graphic eq.'s on the 01v96 (if memory serves me correctly) but there are parametric eq.'s on every input and every output so, who needs the graphic.
The overall sound quality of the 01v96 is far higher than the ls9. 
As far as FX go, the ls9 offers 4 FX processors, again, if memory serves, while I just don't recall how many are available on the 01v96.

The 01v96 is a 20 bus console while the ls9 is 27 busses I believe.

The 01v96 has only one expansion slot while the ls9-32 has 2.

The ls9 would be easier for most church volunteers to navigate.

Given your list of needs I would not suggest the 01v96.  It's to small (only 16 exposed faders) for 32 channels of live mixing in my opinion.  I also would not consider the ls9-16 as a viable 32 channel live mixer for the same reason.

In a church situation I find that recallable head amps tend to be a much better choice than having everything except the head amps recallable.  Once this is considered the LS9-32 is cost effective until you move beyond 48 channels or you need to do multitrack recording.  At that point the Roland M-400 becomes a much more cost effective option.

As a separate note, the sound quality of the Roland is much higher than the ls9.


Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.

[tim.j.phillips]

Adam:
All the previous points are good ones to take into account.  Ive worked around both the 01v and an LS9-32 and i can say from both a very nice boards as far as flexibility goes.  What you also might want to take into account is how many inputs your going to be needing now and in the future.  I know most HOW require a large amounts of inputs and a large degree of flexibility depending on how big your church is. 

While the 01v and ls9-16 have the same number of native physical inputs (12 xlr, 4 trs and 16 xlr respectfully) the ls9-16 also has 2x as many native omni outs as the 01v giving u the ability to send more places ie monitors, recording, tv production etc.

From what you wrote as your needs, it sounds like an ls9-32 is what you should get just by the amount of flexibility and room to grow the board would allow you.  The ls9-32 has 16 omni outs as well as 8 matricies that would give you plenty of sends for your monitor mixes and FOH mix as well as expandability for whatever else your might want. 

As far as EQ and FX goes, the o1v has 2 effects racks if i remember correctly and the ls9-32 has 4 racks.  You can virtually rack mount a 32 band GEQ if you wanted for your FOH feed if that is what you are looking for. 

hope this helps.

-Tim

[David Parker]

"The overall sound quality of the 01v96 is far higher than the ls9. "

Huh? I have both and have never tested them side by side, but neither of them is "far higher" in sound quality.

[Lee Buckalew]

"The overall sound quality of the 01v96 is far higher than the ls9. "

Huh? I have both and have never tested them side by side, but neither of them is "far higher" in sound quality.

If you run either a really good recording or use really good mics through them, the 01v96 sounds better, no question about it.  I will have to say that I have only tested the 01v96 against the ls9 with the 01v96 at a 96kHz sample rate. 

Between the two would I notice it in a typical church system?  Hard to say.  I have not tested those, in that situation, side by side.
Here's a test I just did.
Would people pick the Roland M-400 over the ls9-32 when allowed to set them up side by side and play, yes.  This just happened with a client of mine from aspects of sound quality and ease of use.  Every person chose the Roland, even those who were very familiar with the Yamaha M7cl and already thought they would prefer the Yamaha.

By the way, I work on and design Yamaha into many systems.  That does not make them the best sounding, just the best fit for that application.

Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.

[Steve Hurt]

Adam,

I come from a church background, and understand the environment.

I also own and regularly use the 01v96 for bar band gigs.  I really like the 01v96, and the power and flexibility it offers at such a low price point, but i dont think it is the right fit for a church.   In my opinion the user interface on the 01v96 is just not as approachable as the LS9. For training volunteers or worship team members (especially if they are new to digital), the LS9 is the way to go.

+1
The 01v96 is a very powerful tool, but the one thing it isn't is user friendly, especially for users that have only worked on analog boards.

[Ivan Beaver]

We install quite a few of both.

The most important thing is the number of inputs/outputs you need.  While the 01V can be expanded, this is one thing to consider.

Do you want to deal with layers? Some people don't, others don't care.

But the two biggest differences (that make a big deal to me) -beyound the price difference-is the number of auxes available (how many do you really need?) and the fact that the LS9 has a high pass filter.  That is HUGE to me.  Yes you can get a highpass filter if you use the low tone control on the 01V96, but I don't like giving up that control (in most cases).

Having recallable mic pres is also HUGE in the HOW market.

[David Parker]

+1
The 01v96 is a very powerful tool, but the one thing it isn't is user friendly, especially for users that have only worked on analog boards.

I own both and agree that the LS9, although infinitely more powerful, is easier to navigate. I had the LS9 first. It was an easier step into digital. Had I started on the 01V96, the learning curve would have been steeper.

[Richard McLawhorn]

My 01V96 v.2 has high pass filters on every channel, you adjust the Q control low band on the peq to hpf by turning it counterclockwise.

Im going to try to answer as many questions as i can that you asked about the 01v96 but i suggest you go dl the manual as it will answer all of your questions.

There are no recallable headamps.
There are no geq's, not even in the fx racks.
There are 4 effects banks which can be returned on 4 stereo returns so they dont eat channels. However, they do eat up your aux busses for sends to the efx.

It also has:
 L/R outs
6 aux busses
6 groups
Assignable direct outs for every channel

Some things to remember:
In addition to the l/r main outs  It only has 4 onboard 1/4" "omni outputs" which are assignable from any aux, group, or direct out.

Channels 1-12 have xlr, 1/4", and inserts.
Channels 13-16 are 1/4" only and have no inserts

Using the onboard lightpipe you can add 8 inputs and 8 outputs.
Then you have one card slot that can add 8 more.

I could be wrong but i think you can only truly get 28 xlr channels unless there is a 16 input card out that i dont know about, and you are working with multiple layers at that point.

I learned on an ls9 as well but i don't find the interfaces to be all that different but the ls9 is definitely more easy to navigate.  The 01v just takes some time to learn your way around.  I spent about 2 hours playing with it and was able to learn just about everything that i need to know for normal use.  Other features require a trip into the 300 page manual.  I keep the manual with me on my ipad or laptop whenever i am giging just in case someting comes up.

Spend some time in the manual...it makes good bathroom reading

[Don Ernst]

Richard,

There are 8 aux busses and 8 groups on the 01V96.

If you want to use all the auxes for monitors, you can use the busses for effects.  Not the best way to do it but it works.  Set the input of the effect to the insert of the desired bus.  Turn the insert on.  Route the channels to the bus.  This works the same as a post fader aux except you have no individual level to the bus per channel.

The 1/4" inputs can be used with dynamic mics that have a high output. (57's on drums for example) or things like keyboards.

There are 16 channel cards for the 01V96. I have two Presonus Digimax FX 8 channel mic pres connected through ADAT that gives me 16 more XLR ins, 16 trs balanced outputs, analog inserts and direct outs on those channels.

My setup allows 32 channels in, 32 channels out to a recording setup I use for a live to tape radio show I do regularly, 8 auxes for monitors and all in a small FOH footprint.

Edit: something I forgot to add

[Mark Sexton]

I know you're trying to compare the LS-9 and o1v96, but since you're looking to put this into a church environment I would encourage you to consider the M7CL because the user interface is so much more accessible than either of the other two. Also DCAs are your friend.

[Richard McLawhorn]

Richard,

There are 8 aux busses and 8 groups on the 01V96.

Oops...i knew that...

I will look at running The effects in the method that you described...hadnt thought of doing it that way before.

I usually use the 1/4" inputs for computer/ ipod / wireless mics as i usually have enough of those devices to eat up 4 channels and not worry about it.

Good to know that there are 16 channel cards out there...sounds like a good setup you have going...i only have 8 additional ins and outs.  The ada8000 has xlr outs though which is good when using for monitors so i don't have to convert before sending down the snake

[George Dougherty]

GOOD MORNING ALL!!!

My church has recently decided to upgrade our console into the digital era. I use the ls9 on a regular basis and feel that it is a great fit for our needs.

Then I look at the 01v96. Although I have never stood behind one, the price tag is very tantilizing.

What are the differences between the ls9 and the 01v96?

Feel free to offer both technicial specification differences as well as opinions in navigation, feel, sound, or just pros and cons of what y'all have experienced.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Adam

Some people will disagree, feeling they need hands on physical control of every function on a console, but given the nature of the LS9 interface and being forced to use the scroll wheel to navigate through options for so much of the console interface anyway, I find using faders for channel control and a mouse for parameter adjustment within a Software Audio Console system to be significantly faster.  Biggest con vs an LS9 is non-recallable preamps unless you're using something like Aphex 188's, though you gain huge amounts in routing flexibility, processing ability and sound quality over either an LS9 or M7.  I've got over a year experience operating and training volunteers on SAC and everyone took to basic operation with ease.  A few studio guys I've worked with lately absolutely love being able to do almost anything they can do in a studio.

If you took the suggestion to step into the M7 price range, there are far better options these days.  I'd consider an iLive, Soundcraft or Venue SC48 in the same price range before I'd go with an M7.

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