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Darren Brown

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EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« on: March 10, 2011, 10:24:15 am »

Hi guys,

got an opportunity to try these out in a few weeks. The production provider also keeps Arcs, but he swears the KF650 is a better box...

Anyone used these at all?

Darren.
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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 11:00:29 am »

Go with the Arcs!!!!
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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 11:19:23 am »

The KF650z and its sister cab the KF695z are great sounding boxes when used with EAW's UX8800 processor.  With any other processor they're hit or miss depending on the skill and care taken by the operator to match EAW's settings. IMHO this is likely (and unfortunately) much of the cause of whatever negative feelings may exist out there regarding the product.
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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 05:35:13 pm »

Go with the Arcs!!!!

I'd also second the Arcs... depending on your application requirements.....as suggested the KFs need the proper processing (UX8800) to sound good....
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 07:11:23 pm »

Well to be absolutely fair, the Arcs need proper processing -- i.e. factory-authorized or matched settings -- to sound good as well.
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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2011, 08:10:42 pm »

I think I most likely will go with the Arcs, only as I know them. For the record though the provider did mention that it was EAW processing... Actually maybe I'll take the EAW just to see what they're like in that case...

Cheers all.
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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 09:38:05 am »

Hi guys,

got an opportunity to try these out in a few weeks. The production provider also keeps Arcs, but he swears the KF650 is a better box...

Anyone used these at all?

Darren.

Depends on the application.

650z is better for shorter throws, and more pleasant up close. Wider coverage, more usable as singles etc.
ARCS throw further, can be used for larger shows. Sounds pretty good when you fly them, can be a bit agressive in a groundstack. And you'll probably need more than one a side on any job.

IMHO :)
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 02:51:21 pm »

The EAW 650z with the UX8800 Gunness focusing made the box sound so much better than before, but I would still choose the ARCS.  They have a tighter more controlled coverage area and a crisper sound.  I do not like to take splaying measurements, and the 650's will have hot spots if you do not do that correctly.

Seiyua Tang
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Peter Morris

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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 11:28:43 pm »

Hi guys,

got an opportunity to try these out in a few weeks. The production provider also keeps Arcs, but he swears the KF650 is a better box...

Anyone used these at all?

Darren.

I agree with your production provider - Gunness Focused 650s will outperform the ARCS, but you will not win any friends with EAW anything - Go with the ARCS its a much safer position for you if something does not go that well.

Peter
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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2011, 06:46:44 pm »

I think I most likely will go with the Arcs, only as I know them. For the record though the provider did mention that it was EAW processing... Actually maybe I'll take the EAW just to see what they're like in that case...

Cheers all.

If so, make sure the "EAW processing" is the UX8800 and not something older (i.e. MX8750).  Only the UX8800 has the Gunness-focusing "magic" everyone's talking about.
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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2011, 07:16:03 pm »

you will not win any friends with EAW anything...

Hey Peter:

I'm not sure I agree with your EAW assessment.  We have used the KF650z as our main box for years, in productions ranging from choir/orchestra reinforcement, to vocal a cappella, to outdoor concerts--all to very positive reviews.  It is an extremely versatile and powerful box.  When tri-amped (important) and properly processed with the UX8800, the KF650z is tough to beat in the medium-size point-source category--plus the EAW name has been quite good for our business.

Our target market segment of smaller local events may be different from yours--perhaps that could explain the varied experience with EAW...

My .02

Dave
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2011, 09:33:45 pm »

Hey Peter:

I'm not sure I agree with your EAW assessment.  We have used the KF650z as our main box for years, in productions ranging from choir/orchestra reinforcement, to vocal a cappella, to outdoor concerts--all to very positive reviews.  It is an extremely versatile and powerful box.  When tri-amped (important) and properly processed with the UX8800, the KF650z is tough to beat in the medium-size point-source category--plus the EAW name has been quite good for our business.

Our target market segment of smaller local events may be different from yours--perhaps that could explain the varied experience with EAW...

My .02

Dave

Hi Dave,

I was a long time EAW user (15 + years), and I agree with almost every thing you said, however, ever since Loud Technologies came along EAWs rider status in my part of the world has declined dramatically.   They are still acceptable but I rarely see them listed anymore.

The flavour of the month is d&b or L- Acoustics, hence my suggestion to use the ARCS, its the safest choice.

Peter

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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 09:42:25 am »

Hi Dave,

I was a long time EAW user (15 + years), and I agree with almost every thing you said, however, ever since Loud Technologies came along EAWs rider status in my part of the world has declined dramatically.   They are still acceptable but I rarely see them listed anymore.

The flavour of the month is d&b or L- Acoustics, hence my suggestion to use the ARCS, its the safest choice.

Peter

Hello, i'd like to revive the topic since i am interested in buying some used kf650z, two per side.
First thing i'd like to ask is, i got only two 18" martin audio subs, do you guys think they can cope to add low end in small to mid size gigs, with folk music (sometimes a bass guitar, sometimes a 'tympani" with a bit of presence under 120hz)
Secondly, i have a 2 in 6 out dsp (xilica xp4080), do you think i will be able to optimize their perfoRmance or the gunnesss thing is no way comparable? Will i be able to find their optimization info somehow (like ask eaw)? And by the way, any moRe indfo in the gunness magic, is it based on phase processing to optimise the lobes created wtih arraying?

thanks in advance,
g.
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Re: EAW KF650z - Any reviews?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 10:46:17 am »

Personally I love the kf650z, we have 8 in inventory, here. We use the EAW 8800 processors which are WAYYYY worth it over anything else, we've used XTA, and the BSS Minidrives. The Gunness focusing set this box much higher...

We've never gotten any rider sneers over these boxes, the down side that we have found with them is EAW's service department. We've been having a horrible time getting a hold of Pam or Steve in service. We'll leave message after message with no responses, so keep an extra driver or 2 on hand...

Thanks,

Karl
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