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Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« on: April 14, 2010, 10:34:24 PM »

Hi there - I just bought 6 used Osiris ( grace technologies) Seth MR 250 moving heads.  Is anyone out there capable of creating me a profile for these fixtures. I've tried the one IN light jockey, and I ve tried the one supplied on the martin forum - neither work... also if i can be done in 16 bit, that would be great... If anyone has a copy of the profile, or can tell me how to get it into light jockey I'm all ears...
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2010, 08:09:15 AM »

Can be done.  I don't know anything about that fixture, so a couple questions:

1.  Is the actual dmx info available online?  Where?  Is that info ACCURATE?  Having incorrect channel data could be why the existing profiles don't work.  Most profiles are written based on info that's online and never tested, and if the info is wrong and no one bothers to fix it, it will continue to be wrong.

2.  What's wrong with the profiles currently available?  Is it something simple, like you you select a gobo, a different gobo shows up?  Or is it something completely off, like when you select "red" for color, the light tilts to a new position?

Once I know what's wrong and have ACCURATE channel information I can fix it, but it might take a couple days before I can get to it.

Just saw your note over at the LJ forum.  From your description it seems that the profiles you're using are incorrect because the channel assignments are wrong.

If that's the case then you have to open LJ, make a 32 channel dimmer profile, connect a light, then go through and see what each channel ACTUALLY does.  This will be tedious, and the hardest channels to find will be the ones controlling shutter and dimmer, since they have to operate together.  Make detailed notes about what each channel does, etc.  For example, channel 4, 0 - 9 is open white, 10 - 18 is red, 19 - 32 is blue, etc.  Get that to me and I'll see what I can do.

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2010, 09:06:47 AM »

Thanks Len I appreciate your help - I got an email back this mornign from Martin stating that due to the fact that grace has infringed on their IP, that he regrets that he cannot help me with the profile.  I guess it doesn't matter that I also own 250 entours (which I was thinking about increasing in numbers or buying mac 500's), and scx 500's. Neverimind the obvious fact I have the dongle.  Thanks Len I will go through the fixture - would it be easier in that way to figure out what is what - and get you that info.  
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2010, 01:16:07 PM »

according to the vista profile I have for the seth mr250 spot (16 channel mode), dmx channels on the fixture are as follows:

1. control
2. dimmer
3. shutter
4. pan
5. tilt
6. color
7. gobo 1
8. gobo 2
9. gobo 2 rotate
10. focus
11. effect wheel
12. effect wheel rotate
13. blink functions
14. move speed
15. pan fine
16. tilt fine

couldn't find a grandma or chamsys fixture profile, hog 3 decided not to load for me today, and i can't remember how to bring up the dmx output list on a pearl (i rarely use them) although there is a profile for that console as well (disk 16)
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2010, 03:05:39 PM »

Thanks James, and Len - I'll confirm that the channels are as James lists, and get that info to you Len - thanks for your help - there's nothing like being pumped to try out your "new to you" fixtures and running into a brick wall like the shutter not opening on the fixture, cause when you hit shutter open - the head spins.. Rolling Eyes


James is there a profile for the 8 bit mode... I have a profile in L jockey for 8 bit, and I'd like to compare the dmx channels to what vista might have, it might show the discrepancy

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 04:57:29 PM »

James Feenstra wrote on Thu, 15 April 2010 12:16

according to the vista profile I have for the seth mr250 spot (16 channel mode), dmx channels on the fixture are as follows:

1. control
2. dimmer
3. shutter
4. pan
5. tilt
6. color
7. gobo 1
8. gobo 2
9. gobo 2 rotate
10. focus
11. effect wheel
12. effect wheel rotate
13. blink functions
14. move speed
15. pan fine
16. tilt fine

couldn't find a grandma or chamsys fixture profile, hog 3 decided not to load for me today, and i can't remember how to bring up the dmx output list on a pearl (i rarely use them) although there is a profile for that console as well (disk 16)


Accurate or not, I'll still need what dmx values corresponds to what.  For example, gobo 1, if you run the channel up to a dmx value of 241, what happens?  Is it a static gobo, a shaking gobo, does the wheel rotate counterclockwise, random?  Pan and tilt are no big deal, but even things like the effect wheel need to be defined.  And with things like "control" what happens on that?  Control could be a lot of things.  Like that stupid Martin function where the shutter channel and the reset function are on the same channel.

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2010, 05:43:05 PM »

The plot thickens.. turns out they changed my fixture in their new line to a 300s, the manual is online there, with what I think are the functions your require Len - I've also emailed you

http://www.g-lites.com/techsupport.html

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2010, 11:41:53 PM »

Shane Presley wrote on Thu, 15 April 2010 16:43

The plot thickens.. turns out they changed my fixture in their new line to a 300s, the manual is online there, with what I think are the functions your require Len - I've also emailed you

http://www.g-lites.com/techsupport.html

Thanks


Channel assignments mean nothing without knowing the dmx values within each channel.  You'll need to do the work of figuring out what each channel does for each value before an accurate profile can be written.

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 11:51:40 PM »

I only had a few minutes....will get that later even though it's difficult without having the fixture

8 bit mode would be the same but drop the pan fine and tilt fine channels

edit; dmx info (what I could acquire from Vista without the actual fixture):

1. control (although i couldn't get specific functions, this is how it breaks up)
0-19 : no feature
20-29 : no feature
30-36 : no feature
37-49 : no feature
50-69 : no feature
70-76 : no feature
77-89 : no feature
90-96 : no feature
97-119 : no feature
120-126 : no feature
127-219 : no feature
220-226 : no feature
227-239 : no feature
240-255 : lamp on

2. dimmer
0-255 : dimmer 0-100%

3. shutter
0-19 : shutter 0-100%
20-65 : strobe 0-100%
66-75 : shutter 0-100%
76-107 : strobe pulse open 0-100%
108-139 : strobe pulse close
140-149 : shutter 0-100%
150-179 : random strobe 0-100%
180-189 : shutter 0-100%
190-219 : strobe random pulse open 0-100%
220-249 : strobe random pulse close 0-100%
250-255 : shutter 0-100%

4. pan
0-255 : pan 0-100%

5. tilt
0-255 : tilt 0-100%

6. color (it's got 8 colors, so i'd assume ones ccw and the others cw rotation to get to that color)
1-9 : color 1
10-19 : color 2
20-29 : color 3
30-39 : color 4
40-49 : color 5
50-59 : color 6
60-69 : color 7
70-79 : color 8
80-89 : color 9
90-96 : color 10
97-109 : color 11
110-122 : color 12
123-135 : color 13
136-148 : color 14
149-161 : color 15
162-174 : color 16
175-187 : color 17
188-193 : color 18
194-223 : wheel spin
224-255 : wheel spin

7. gobo 1 (fixed)
gobo 1 : 5
gobo 2 : 15
gobo 3 : 25
gobo 4 : 35
gobo 5 : 45
gobo 6 : 55
gobo 7 : 65
gobo 8 : 75
gobo 9 : 87

8. gobo 2 (rotatable)
gobo 1 : 0
gobo 2 : 30
gobo 3 : 50
gobo 4 : 70
gobo 5 : 90
gobo 6 : 110
gobo 7 : 132

9. gobo 2 rotate (would assume one is cw and the other is ccw)
0-125 : index 0-100%
126-128 : rotate
129-190 : rotate 0-100%
191-193 : rotate
194-255 : rotate 0-100%

10. focus
0-255 : focus 0-100%

11. effect wheel (guessing there's two fx wheels to choose from)
0-127 : effect wheel select
128-255 : effect wheel select

12: effect wheel rotate (same as channel 9, ccw/cw)
0-125 : index 0-100%
126-128 : rotate
129-190 : rotate 0-100%
191-193 : rotate
194-255 : rotate 0-100%

13. blink functions (didn't really get any info about this, but I think it has something to do with the color wheel)
0-89 : function 1 0-100%
90-119 : function 2 0-100%
120-149 : function 3 0-100%
150-179 : function 4 0-100%
180-209 : function 5 0-100%
210-239 : function 6 0-100%
240-255 : function 7 0-100%

14. move speed
0-255 : track 0-100%

15. pan fine
0-255 : pan fine 0-100%

16. tilt fine
0-255 : tilt fine 0-100%

default values:
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 02:20:10 AM »

Shane Presley wrote on Thu, 15 April 2010 17:43

The plot thickens.. turns out they changed my fixture in their new line to a 300s, the manual is online there, with what I think are the functions your require Len - I've also emailed you

http://www.g-lites.com/techsupport.html

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according to the manual on that site for the 250, vista has about 8 channels too many...

do yours have dip switches to address them, or an lcd screen?
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2010, 01:33:04 PM »

Hey James - they have led displays - after calling g-lites last night, my fixtures are basically 300S fixtures (on the g-lite) website. I downloaded the manual,and they behave exactly as the 300S manual states for the dmx profiles.  Len I emailed you this info, but if you haven't gotten my email - that is the answer... they behave just like the 300s fixtures do. Let me know if there's any more info you might need to be able to help me out - thanks to the both of you.

PS - in 8 bit mode they are 12 dmx channels, in 16 bit mode they have 16 dmx channels.

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 01:46:58 PM »

Shane Presley wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 13:33


PS - in 8 bit mode they are 12 dmx channels, in 16 bit mode they have 16 dmx channels.

12 channel mode in vista drops the last 4 channels...so no move speed, blink functions, or p/t fine controls

also, in regards to the 300 profile, it appears to have a prism channel where the 250s doesn't

does the 250s have a prism? if so, i have no idea where the control for its located
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2010, 02:44:05 PM »

FROM the 300S manual ( and this is how the actual light behaved), and yes it has a prism.  I suspect the lights I have are what they now call a 300S, they were just called seth MR250's  (that is what is silkscreened on them) - but they LOOK like the 300S on the web site - they are NOT the long nosed fixtures they are calling a 250S.

This info is from the manual online

8 Bit MODE
Channel #  
 
1...Lamp On / Reset
2...Dimmer
3...Shutter / Strobe
4...Pan Coarse
5...Tilt Coarse
6...Color Wheel A
7...Gobo Wheel B
8...Gobo Wheel A
9...Gobo Wheel A Rotation
10..Focus
11..Prism
12..Prism Rotation

 16 Bit MODE
Channel #  

1...Lamp On / Reset
2...Dimmer
3...Shutter / Strobe
4...Pan Coarse
5...Tilt Coarse
6...Color Wheel A
7...Gobo Wheel B
8...Gobo Wheel A
9...Gobo Wheel A Rotation
10..Focus
11..Prism
12..Prism Rotation
13..Blackout movement/functions
14..Pan / Tilt Speed
15..Pan Fine
16..Tilt Fine

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 02:46:22 PM »

photos of the actual fixtures...
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 02:47:48 PM »

but as you can see its "snub nosed" - like an 250 entour - not like what their site shows, a longer nosed fixture
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2010, 03:31:28 PM »

interesting...not sure what to make of them then

to determine the actual dmx values of the channels on the fixture, it's incredibly hard without the light haha...it's still difficult WITH the light as some functions aren't clearly visible anyways
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2010, 11:54:40 PM »

Shane Presley wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 13:44

FROM the 300S manual ( and this is how the actual light behaved), and yes it has a prism.  I suspect the lights I have are what they now call a 300S, they were just called seth MR250's  (that is what is silkscreened on them) - but they LOOK like the 300S on the web site - they are NOT the long nosed fixtures they are calling a 250S.

This info is from the manual online

8 Bit MODE
Channel #  
 
1...Lamp On / Reset
2...Dimmer

[[snipped]]



That's a start, but it's meaningless unless you have the data on what each dmx value does within each channel.  Something I've said several times already.  Today was the only day I had to work on this until late next week.  

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2010, 01:36:57 AM »

len woelfel wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 23:54

Shane Presley wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 13:44

FROM the 300S manual ( and this is how the actual light behaved), and yes it has a prism.  I suspect the lights I have are what they now call a 300S, they were just called seth MR250's  (that is what is silkscreened on them) - but they LOOK like the 300S on the web site - they are NOT the long nosed fixtures they are calling a 250S.

This info is from the manual online

8 Bit MODE
Channel #  
 
1...Lamp On / Reset
2...Dimmer

[[snipped]]



That's a start, but it's meaningless unless you have the data on what each dmx value does within each channel.  Something I've said several times already.  Today was the only day I had to work on this until late next week.  

scroll up, I posted what I could find out through pillaging the Vista profile

can't verify it without the fixture though, it doesn't pop up correctly in the version of wysiwyg I have (it's old...new license = expensive!)
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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2010, 09:59:58 AM »



That's a start, but it's meaningless unless you have the data on what each dmx value does within each channel.  Something I've said several times already.  Today was the only day I had to work on this until late next week.  
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Hi Len - they laid this out in the manual - I've sent it to your email, and it's online (g-lites / technical info / 300S fixture)
all of the numbers are there from page 16 thru 20 I beleive) I didn't bother posting the "full document" here... I hope you still have time

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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2010, 10:28:41 AM »

Shane Presley wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 08:59



That's a start, but it's meaningless unless you have the data on what each dmx value does within each channel.  Something I've said several times already.  Today was the only day I had to work on this until late next week.  



Hi Len - they laid this out in the manual - I've sent it to your email, and it's online (g-lites / technical info / 300S fixture)
all of the numbers are there from page 16 thru 20 I beleive) I didn't bother posting the "full document" here... I hope you still have time[/quote]

Just to be clear, it's now called the "300S" correct?  The other fixture (275 something) didn't list all the channel assignment.  

You'll still have to tweak out the profile, since I don't have time to import all the bmp files for the gobos and find exactly the right colors for the color screen.  But it'll work fairly well.  

Once you play around with it for a while, let me know what's wrong and I'll tweak it out some more.  

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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2010, 11:45:49 AM »

I have the profile done as far as I can do it.

The colors are as they described in the manual, but probably could use some tweaking.

I don't know what the gobos look like, but they should at least work.  

I didn't do anything with the fixture reset channel.  I didn't figure you needed that too much.  

If you can get bitmap images of all the gobos, they can be incorporated later.

Didn't do the visualizer, I don't know how to create those.

Get me your e-mail address so I can send you the file.

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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2010, 06:20:23 PM »

Thanks Len - its
spresley@med-eng.com

or slpresley@sympatico.ca

I really appreciate it - thanks I'll try it out
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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2010, 12:40:01 AM »

Did it work?  How close are the colors?  Wondering if I patched in the pan/tilt channels correctly.

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Re: Lightjockey profile - Osiris SETH MR250 fixture
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2010, 02:06:07 PM »

Everything is working (profile wise) it's the lights that need some TLC now... some blackout, some don't, one is stuck with prism on...etc... thanks for everyone's help
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