Mike {AB} Butler wrote on Thu, 08 April 2010 11:59 |
Guy Johnson wrote on Wed, 07 April 2010 19:24 | I know nothing about the stick things. Nothing.
But. Bose 802/302, no matter they were costly – so is a lot of good gear – showed up the crap and utter rubbish stuff that posed as 'professional' gear.
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Sorry, but how can you make that statement? During the mid to late '70's, for instance, a Northwest JBL would blow the doors off any 802 for SPL, fidelity, and power sensitivity. 802's were terribly power hungry, bandwidth limited products - regardless of whether you had their active equalizer box in series with the signal or not. Dave D is right that their portability is what sold them, but every group I personally knew that owned them couldn't wait to get their hands on better sounding, more efficient, rigs. Pushed hard, 802's and 302 subs simply crumble sonically - every time. While I do agree that 802's have their place, to say that they blew the doors off of other "established" pro audio products is just not so. Respectfully,
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I respectfully have to disagree. Where were the Northwest JBLs? Nowhere where I was! I disagree that those Bose were bandwidth-limited, except at the very extremes of the frequency-range. What about the "competition" at the time? (except the Really, Really Good Stuff, rarely seen and heard). They were the ghastly boxes otherwise found at most Bose 802/302– sized gigs... They were multiply peaky, with really uneven dispersions... and they sounded even worse up close. Whereas the Bose were smooth, with good dispersions, and ... still sounded good up-close! And, remember, with the controllers being out of circuit — the Bose are
not a system without them, it does no good to a discussion to mention that...
I also disagree about power. Give them better and more powerful amps than the admittedly not very good Bose amps, and they were brilliant. Still are in some applications.
Sure, better products have come along along, and the 802s, especially on their own, were not idiot-proof; forget bass transients with no subs.
I stick with my claim quoted above.
The 'Bose' gigs I went to were so much better than almost all others, that that fact eventually sunk into my gigged brian. Before I stated engineering. They sounded
so much better, especially the vocal/acoustic guitar, jazz bands, and decent rock bands. I had no issues, no prejudices, I just noted what I heard — gigs that sounded close to the expensive home systems I heard, at
last! So I started using Boses, then later on, other and better things. Even now, sometimes the Bose still suit
some applications. They are tools, applicable as are all other tools, to situations that suit. Would I buy them now? No. That wasn't the point of my comments.
And are there better things now? Of course!