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Lee Brenkman

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"Can't we just get along?"
« on: March 13, 2010, 03:48:47 pm »

Here in a cell phone picture from Tyler, who was working the club gig for me last night, in just a little more space than a PM5d would take up is the "dual console" analog/digital option in monitor land.

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Jason Dermer

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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2010, 05:12:23 pm »

H4000 and VI6
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2PM5d and APB Spectra Ti
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PM4K, VI6, Profile
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Yes, we sure can get along.  Smile
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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 05:56:23 pm »

Yeah, but we had to do it in a much smaller footprint AND leave a three foot aisle behind the console operators for the Fire Marshall.

But all these pictures do prove that co-existence IS possible  Smile
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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2010, 11:07:04 pm »

In the last pic, -what's that big gray-thing with the square yellow lights across the top?

Lighting controller?




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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2010, 01:23:30 am »

The really great thing about that PM4k styled lighting controller is that the band engineer didn't want digi (no problem) but REFUSED the Heritage. We sourced the 4k from our friends at Bauder audio, who had to blow a good thick layer of dust off of the case. Smile (the console is actually pristine) Mr band dude then had us patch the dynamics in a really unusual fashion, again no biggie, excepting his big bad holier than you lowly regional PA guys attitude. He twiddled and tweaked all of it for well over his alloted soundcheck time and had all kinds of lights flashing and meters moving until the PM cut him off. Then never touched it during the show as he texted away on his phone through most of the set. PSSST- hey dude. We tried to tell you that there are insert switches on a 4k.... Razz
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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 07:02:46 am »

This is just showing that we are doing more and more shows where the setup is above any logic. Those are overkill's and we are just wasting resources. Those BEs got more and more spoiled this days. Like one desk is not enough. All those wining "i prefer this and i prefer that" is annoying me. Riders are becoming wish lists and we must provide it. Grrrrrrr

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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2010, 08:08:57 am »

Jason Dermer wrote on Sat, 13 March 2010 16:12

H4000 and VI6
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Yes, we sure can get along.  Smile


Who really needs a H4000 at FOH?
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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 02:02:42 pm »

I think this is a picture of why digital consoles were created and  why some people hate them ......... it's art man
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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 02:20:11 pm »

Dave Barto wrote on Sun, 14 March 2010 08:08

Who really needs a H4000 at FOH?

The funny thing is that H4000 was "all he could get" after his UMX.96 shit the bed. He didn't seem all too broken up about it and had a killer mix. One of my favorite shows from last year.

P.S. The difference in size and weight between the H4000 + outboard and the Vi6 + outboard is not that large (25%?), and the percent of their capabilities we were using was about the same. The only difference is that the H4000 takes 8-10 people to flip, while the Vi6 takes 3-4.
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Re: "Can't we just get along?"
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 02:29:29 pm »

Marjan Milosevic wrote on Sun, 14 March 2010 07:02

This is just showing that we are doing more and more shows where the setup is above any logic. Those are overkill's and we are just wasting resources. Those BEs got more and more spoiled this days. Like one desk is not enough. All those wining "i prefer this and i prefer that" is annoying me. Riders are becoming wish lists and we must provide it. Grrrrrrr


It's not really people getting spoiled, it's people getting what they need to feel comfortable. Someone wasn't comfortable on digital, so they got analog. Probably what they mixed on for years before digital became so popular. The no heritage thing is kinda dumb, but if it's what they need...

The Profile is probably there for the same reason. The engineer didn't know the vi6, or uses plugins on the profile to do his show.

The only reason more consoles are showing up now is because there are more options out there. A few years ago, you either had a Herritage, or a PM5D if you got lucky. Now that there are so many more options, your bound to have people with different preferences.



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