Whoa,whoa Jeff. This was a tongue in cheek comment, and certainly not a misinformed one. I fully understand the need for most horns requiring a much different set of thiele small parameters compared to standard ported cabinets. I certainly have NOTHING against growlers. Im sure the driver is perfectly mated to the cabinet. Im just stating that most horn drivers resemble and spec closer to a typical car sub than a pro sub. Yes i did waste a bunch of time screwing around with some home brew horns before stepping up and building labs. As a final comment i will say that that does seem like the trend nowadays, and not just horn drivers, but reflex drivers....longer stroke, more powerful magnets, more expensive materials, higher power handling, while trying to keep the maximum efficiency. One example is the Faital pro with upwards of 14mm xmax if i recall. Please dont read into my comment so seriously, it was not meant to be.....Duane.