ProSoundWeb Community

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Pages: 1 2 3 [All]   Go Down

Author Topic: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade  (Read 7785 times)

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« on: May 09, 2005, 01:53:55 pm »

HI,

I'm planning to cascade 2 units of Yamaha O1V96 and use it as a live mixer.  I need 32-XLR inputs simultaneously.  How can I achieve that?  And I need to have 6 aux sends for stage monitors.  I also need 8 group out.  Oh, I'm also planning to hook up an Alesis HD24 recorder.  So what do I need to get to get all these hooked up?  Please advice?

Kevin
Logged

Erwin Mol

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 29
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2005, 03:39:39 pm »

seems to me that the only inputs and outputs left are the 2-tracks.
What you could do is connect the first mixer to the second by using the 2-track send on no. 1 and use the 2-track in as input on no.2

[MIXER1]        [MIXER2]          -->[2TROUT]        [2TR-IN]

Then you use the 2-track out on mixer no. 2 to connect your Alesis.

Maybe I overlooked something, just some creative thinking going on. Have fun!
Logged

Ivan Beaver

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 963
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2005, 05:40:07 pm »

A lot of patience the first time you do this.  It is fairly easy to do, if you understand all the routing issues.

The cheapest way out (I have done it many times) is to add DON't SHOOT ME- it works just fine is 4 ADA8000 Behrigner mic pres.  They also have 8 ch of D/A on the backside that is independent of the front side.  You will also need 2 Yamaha my16-At cards.  You might can skip the mic pres if you can get by with 24 XLR mic pres and 8 line inputs and use ADAT outs, but you have to use them in multiples of 8 from each console, but you said you wanted 32 XLR.  This will give you a total of 64 channels in (54XLR and 8 line).  You will now have 22 analog outputs from each console for a total of 48.  Of course you will need several ADAT cables-2 midi cables and a RCA cable.

Like I said it takes a bit of routing, but can be done.
Logged
Can I have some more talent in the monitors--PLEASE?

Ivan Beaver
dB Audio & Video Inc.

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2005, 01:27:02 pm »

Thanks Guys... so Behringer ADA8000?  Ok... why 4 units, may I ask? And if I were to use the ADA8000 as the extra inputs, how do I control the extra 8 from the mixer in a live setting?  Never really used a digital mixer in a live setting before. Smile

Kevin
Logged

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2005, 09:10:47 am »

Hi Ian,

errr.... kinda lost in the routing section.  The advice you gave... does that give me the following?

- 32-XLR inputs
- 8 aux out
- 8 group out
- Master out
- 24 Direct out to Alesis HD24?
- 4 Matrix out

Kevin
Logged

Mac Kerr

  • SR Forums
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 718
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2005, 09:49:07 am »

mr_ngiau wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 09:10

Hi Ian,

errr.... kinda lost in the routing section.  The advice you gave... does that give me the following?

- 32-XLR inputs
- 8 aux out
- 8 group out
- Master out
- 24 Direct out to Alesis HD24?
- 4 Matrix out

Kevin
Each 01v96 has 12 mic in, stereo out, and 4 omni out. There is also an ADAT optical interface that gives you 8 in and 8 out via ADAT optical interfaces. You are asking for 32 mic in, 22 analog out, and 24 ADAT out. There are no matrix mixes on an 01v96. To get 32 mic in you need to add 8 more mic pre's. This is easy and cheap with a B*ger ADA8000, which also adds 8 balanced line level outputs on XLR connectors. You will use the ADAT interface on one of the 2 01v's for this. You now have your Master out, 8 aux out via the ADA8000, and 8 group out (why do you need this?) via the 4 omni outs on each console. To get the 24 direct outs to your HD24 you will need to add MY16-AT cards to each of the consoles (you could do an 8 channel MY8-AT in the console you have not used the internal interface on). This will add 32 channels of optical outs, and give you the ability to route up to 16 channels from each 01v to the HD24. Since you are using ADAT interfaces at 8 channels per lightpipe, you will be operating the console at 48KHz sample rate as ADAT does not support 96KHz except in double channel mode which is only 4 channels per lightpipe.

If you need matrix outputs you will need to add another mixer to mix down your 8 groups (there's a reason for the group out connectors).

Mac
Logged

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2005, 10:57:29 am »

Thanks Mac.  Why do I need the 8 group out?  Well, it's to do a rough mix for every service.  For the musicians and vocalists' reference.  For them to learn where their weak points are and improve themselves.  And also to record the sunday message.

So meaning, I link the Slave unit to the Master unit via the MIDI connection?  

Kevin
Logged

Mac Kerr

  • SR Forums
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 718
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2005, 11:07:52 am »

mr_ngiau wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 10:57

Thanks Mac.  Why do I need the 8 group out?  Well, it's to do a rough mix for every service.  For the musicians and vocalists' reference.  For them to learn where their weak points are and improve themselves.  And also to record the sunday message.

So meaning, I link the Slave unit to the Master unit via the MIDI connection?  

Kevin
I still don't get why you need the 8 group outs. Are you recording this "rough mix" as a multitrack? The 8 group outs are just individual outputs of each of your 8 subgroups. What you are describing sounds like either a matrix mix (which the 01v96 doesn't have) or a separate mix on an aux send. If you are not going to use a separate output connector off the main mix for recording because you want a different mix, it will have to be a matrix or an aux. The matrix mix can be accomplished via an external mixer as I described in my earlier post.

For details on the cascade connector and the midi connections to link, maybe Ivan will respond as he's already done this.

Mac
Logged

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2005, 11:48:55 am »

Yes Mac, I want to create a different mix from the house mix.  Or what will you advice?

Kevin
Logged

Harold Mayo

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 57
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2005, 01:49:43 am »

Just curious.....our church wants more inputs

On mixer #1 (01v96) w/ have a digimax LT for a total of 24 channels.  We are adding the aviom system, so our slot will be used.  

If we added a second 01v96, what would be the best way to connection it all together?
1) Using Midi In/out, we could get 24ch on #1, and 40ch on #2 (max).
2) Using Adat in/out, we could get 16ch on #1 and 32ch on #2
3) Or do I need to install the MY8-AT in each mixer and connect the adat in/outs, which would give me only 16ch on each.   This one doesn't make sense.

Our pastor has decided we need at least 40 channels total.
We also have a Yamaha AW2816, can we cascade the 2 mixers?
(sidenote: the manual for the aw2816 is one of the worst I've read in recent years....the writers should be flogged  Razz)

I think we need to upgrade to the DM1000 or the 02R96.
Logged
ManofMayo

Ivan Beaver

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 963
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade-another manual
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2005, 07:05:12 pm »

The midi is used to get control between the consoles.  You have to use the ADAT and 2 tr digital to get any audio to pass between the units.  You can easily get 10 channels of audio (your choice through cascading patches) or if you add the MY16AT cards you can get up to 26 channels between consoles.  These channels can be anything you want such as aux sends-main send-solo-subgroups-channels-inserts or whatever.  There is huge flexability, but it takes a while to figure it out and how best to actually use it.  THe yamaha manual tells you how to do it, if you what questions to  ask it.

I am enclosing a manual I wrote for our customers (it is church use based).  It is still uneditied (so don't complain!! HAHA) but does give some basic usages that come from the classes I teach on the console.  It may give some operational guidence, but does not go into detail as it was sritten for the end user.
Logged
Can I have some more talent in the monitors--PLEASE?

Ivan Beaver
dB Audio & Video Inc.

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade-another manual
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2005, 10:50:28 am »

Thanks Ian.  I think I got it....  Smile We'll find out once the consoles arrived.

Attached is the pictorial patch that I put together, at least what I understood.  Please advise.

Kevin
Logged

Mac Kerr

  • SR Forums
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 718
Read the guy's name
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2005, 11:19:27 am »

I pointed this out earlier. Ivan Beaver has been helping you with cascading your consoles. You keep calling him Ian.

Mac
Logged

Ivan Beaver

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 963
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade-another manual
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2005, 06:16:33 pm »

The only issue I see is that with only the ADAT cable between the consoles you only have a path for 8 audio signals.  These would normally include Main-solo-aux.  To get an extra 2 you should also cascade the 2TR digital in/out.  You could lose the ADA8000 for your aux's and use the 4 omni on the main console and then adat over to the slave and insert into the aux's post fader (they should have already been cascaded out pre fader) and routed to the 4 omni on the slave console + the L/R ouputs.  This would give you a combination of 12 analog outs.
Logged
Can I have some more talent in the monitors--PLEASE?

Ivan Beaver
dB Audio & Video Inc.

Harold Mayo

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 57
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2005, 06:48:01 pm »

Thanks Ivan for the manual.

At least in our case, I don't see the point in cascading consoles if all we want are inputs.   If 26 is all we can get, and we have 24 now, then upgrading consoles is the way to go.
Logged
ManofMayo

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade-another manual
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2005, 10:59:42 pm »

Thanks Ivan.  Hope I got your name right this time.  Thanks guys.

Kevin
Logged

James Turner

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2005, 06:54:47 pm »

why do you want to upgrade to the dm1000? there is only 8ch difference.

James
Logged

Harold Mayo

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 57
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2005, 09:29:15 pm »

we are now investigating the 02R96 instead of the DM1000
Logged
ManofMayo

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade-another manual
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2005, 01:21:04 pm »

HI Ivan,

both my mixers have arrived. I've got 2 MY16 card too.  And also an Alesis HD24.

Everything is there, but I can't get my computer to sync with the mixer.  sigh....

Kevin
Logged

Harold Mayo

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 57
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2005, 03:42:43 pm »

he have had the same problem and can't figure out why.   We have tried the latest drivers and the old drivers.   The only thing we haven't tried is a computer w/ XP Pro.   Did your computer have XP Pro?
Logged
ManofMayo

mr_ngiau

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2005, 11:29:45 pm »

Yup,

I'm running on WinXP Pro.  Is that the culprit?

Kevin
Logged

Harold Mayo

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 57
Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2005, 12:18:23 am »

I'm not sure, I actually gave up trying to link the computer to the 01v96.  The time I wasted could have been used to key in all the text that I wanted to computer for Razz

Though our lead pastor is convinced the computer will save us time and make running our service easier.   haha  yea right.
Logged
ManofMayo

ProSoundWeb Community

Re: Yamaha O1V96 Cascade
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2005, 12:18:23 am »


Pages: 1 2 3 [All]   Go Up
 



Page created in 0.065 seconds with 21 queries.