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Adam Bochek

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Kick drum reinforcement
« on: September 05, 2009, 05:57:23 pm »

Hey all, just wanted to get your opinions on this

always looking to get more punch out of my small system I have come up with a 4x10" box that will hit hard around the 60hz area

box dimensions are 26x26x14

response graph below, let me know what you think.

- Bochek
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Ivan Beaver

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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2009, 06:03:03 pm »

Let's say the box does as your prediction.

Exactly how are you planning on using it?  Just for the kick?  So you will have a seperate crossover and amp just for that one instrument?  What is going to reinforce the rest of the kick sound?  Will it go through the  normal PA system?  Or just the mid high part?

What about the rest of the bass needs?  How are those handled.

Are you planning on just adding that cabinet to your existing bass system?  I can see all sorts of alignment issues with that.

Remember that you are needing a SYSTEM-not just a single component to make it all work.
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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2009, 02:25:06 pm »

I wondered about this same idea.  My thought was to use my current rig as a typical stereo rig and then use separate subs to run the kick through, using a separate crossover and amp. maybe even center cluster the kick subs?

Similar to the dual PA, it would seem the Bass guitar and instrument low-end could possibly become a bit tighter if the major excursion causing instrument was moved to its own enclosure.  Once again, just an idea. I have not tried it yet.

Would like to get some input from someone who may have done this.
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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2009, 05:30:13 pm »

Sounds like a lot of extra gear to carry around.
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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2009, 07:28:31 pm »

Adam Bochek wrote on Sat, 05 September 2009 15:57

Hey all, just wanted to get your opinions on this

always looking to get more punch out of my small system I have come up with a 4x10" box that will hit hard around the 60hz area

box dimensions are 26x26x14

response graph below, let me know what you think.

- Bochek

Looking at a frequency response simulation really does tell you what the cabinet will sound like.

If I were to guess, I'd say that the cabinet would ring and sound like a Johnny One Note boom box.

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But without hearing music through the box, that is just an educated guess.

As to whether you would like or dislike that kind of sound, I would not guess.

100 dB sensitivity from four drivers is not very good, but the box is tiny.

Art Welter
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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2009, 03:25:43 pm »

Nobody ever left a concert humming the kick line of a song.  Though there may be some famous kick lines, I can't think of any.  Bass lines, most certainly.

Getting down to sixty is leaving off all the fun stuff, which starts at about 45 IMHO. Few subs offer much fun  Sad

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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 10:35:26 pm »

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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2009, 11:00:09 pm »

Tim Padrick wrote on Sun, 13 September 2009 15:25

Though there may be some famous kick lines, I can't think of any.


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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 07:23:46 am »

Art ..no disrepect

Its amazing how much useless information you derive from one sentence containing aim but no technical data.

My drummer uses a 4-10 cab to mic up the kik...runs it off a Biamp Mixpack...And without graphs with circles and arrows..
It rocks...oops it performs as desired in the 40 to 80hz area.

We started doing it w/ Sunn 2000s Cabs back in the mid 70's

Once you give a drummer on a ride like that its impossible
to take it away!!

Terry
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Re: Kick drum reinforcement
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 01:48:10 pm »

Terry Duoos wrote on Wed, 28 October 2009 05:23

Art ..no disrepect

Its amazing how much useless information you derive from one sentence containing aim but no technical data.

My drummer uses a 4-10 cab to mic up the kik...runs it off a Biamp Mixpack...And without graphs with circles and arrows..
It rocks...oops it performs as desired in the 40 to 80hz area.

We started doing it w/ Sunn 2000s Cabs back in the mid 70's

Once you give a drummer on a ride like that its impossible
to take it away!!

Terry


Terry,

I meant to write "Looking at a frequency response simulation really does NOT tell you what the cabinet will sound like"
but forgot the NOT.
I don't know what you mean by "aim".

The graph (technical data) I posted was from the OP's sim.
It shows a response that drops at 30 dB per octave on the bottom side, and 10 dB from 60 to 200.

Looks like a Johnny One note boom box, AKA bandpass box.
I don't like that sound. Dr. Bose does.

A sealed 4x10 would drop at 12 dB per octave, a ported 4x10 would drop at 24 dB per octave below FB, but wouldn't drop above.

I like the way those boxes sound, that would be how an SVT or a Sunn 2000 would sound.

They don't sound like a bandpass box.

Art Welter
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