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Chris Boschen Leonard

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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2009, 12:14:00 pm »

The only TVs I've sold that are produced domestically are Nexus, out of Portland. They are part of CTI corp, whoever that is.

http://www.ctlcorp.com/nexus/default.aspx

They were good TVs, and a decent price, but now my local wholesale supplier won't carry them anymore, because they had problems with warranties and prompt shipping. Dang!

I make all reasonable attempts to buy and install products that are  made in the USA, even locally supplied where possible, like Liberty Cable in Denver. I have endless problems with this, as most all the internal components in a locally-assembled anything are imported, as other posters noted. Even the copper in my cables comes from overseas, at least some of it. I wish the manufaturers would make a distinction and label their products as 'assembled' in USA.    

I would do everything I can to reasonably put the burden of discovery on the buyer's end, for the very reasons we've all stated. Or else add a small surcharge, and explain why it's there.
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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2009, 12:20:10 pm »

Rain Jaudon wrote on Thu, 25 June 2009 11:04

I don't think it goes beyond them verifying MADE IN THE USA stamped on the box or the product.

OK- So long as the BOX is made in the USA-the contents don't have to be? Laughing

You can buy stickers anywhere Shocked
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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2009, 12:21:53 pm »

trust me - Im not a dishonest person, but the "sticker" and Photoshop idea did cross my mind.  Very Happy
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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2009, 12:24:32 pm »

Chris Boschen Leonard wrote on Thu, 25 June 2009 11:14

The only TVs I've sold that are produced domestically are Nexus, out of Portland. They are part of CTI corp, whoever that is.

http://www.ctlcorp.com/nexus/default.aspx

They were good TVs, and a decent price, but now my local wholesale supplier won't carry them anymore, because they had problems with warranties and prompt shipping. Dang!

I make all reasonable attempts to buy and install products that are  made in the USA, even locally supplied where possible, like Liberty Cable in Denver. I have endless problems with this, as most all the internal components in a locally-assembled anything are imported, as other posters noted. Even the copper in my cables comes from overseas, at least some of it. I wish the manufaturers would make a distinction and label their products as 'assembled' in USA.    

I would do everything I can to reasonably put the burden of discovery on the buyer's end, for the very reasons we've all stated. Or else add a small surcharge, and explain why it's there.


From the link you provided....

http://www.ctl.info/v2/info.aspx?hdr=AboutCtl&ContentNam e=AboutUs
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CTL maintains offices throughout Northwest America and has manufacturing facilities in South Korea and Penang, Malaysia.


I don't think there has been serious TV manufacturing in USA for years...

At most they may be cobbling together some Korean sub assemblies locally.

JR

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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2009, 12:28:50 pm »

The FTC is kind of ambiguous about what "Made In USA" means. There's such a wide variety of acceptable claims on their website.

http://www2.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/adv/bus03.shtm

There are to name a few:

"Made In USA"
"Made in USA of U.S. and Imported Parts"
"Made in U.S. from Imported Parts"
"Assembled in U.S.A."
etc.

Example: We build a snake with our wire (by Belden) using our box and our connectors (by Neutrik) and assembled in Rochester, NY USA. Does the fact that the connectors are actually of European origin nullify a "Made In USA" claim?

We make a piece of electronics - what's the exact criteria? The PCBs, metal and assembly are done here but the electronic components are of course all over the globe. How much is required to fulfill a "significant part" of the product vs. a "negligible part"? Do we have to check on every major component like transformers and potentiometers? (Yes, if I read the FTC guidelines correctly.)

So by the FTC's own guidelines, "Made In USA" is next to impossible to achieve. I doubt that your client is aware of the myriad of FTC definitions as well. They'll need to clarify which of these definitions are acceptable and/or what percentage of the product needs to be of US origin to satisfy them or this gig will probably be impossible to do.

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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2009, 12:30:41 pm »

The cost of the box and packing material factors into domestic content if re-boxed here...

You could just charge enough labor personally, unpacking, testing to confirm it works, etc to make it more than 50% American content... Cool

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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2009, 01:45:19 pm »

Does seem that they want me to verify (prove) 51% manufacture in the USA.  I must request labor and component breakdown (of every item I am installing) from the factory.  Down to the soldering with man hour totals from each.  

They say I can call a partnering meeting with the Government and see what we can negotiate.
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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2009, 02:06:10 pm »

Rain Jaudon wrote on Thu, 25 June 2009 13:45

Does seem that they want me to verify (prove) 51% manufacture in the USA.  I must request labor and component breakdown (of every item I am installing) from the factory.  Down to the soldering with man hour totals from each.  

They say I can call a partnering meeting with the Government and see what we can negotiate.



Beautiful.

Change. Order.

Seriously, tell them that your consulting company: MAB Services (MakeABuck....) would be happy to do this for a modest fee of 75$/hour. Tell them that MAB would also be thrilled to redesign the project, as necessary, to use Made-In-USA products.

Then ride the gravy train.

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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2009, 02:59:17 pm »

Rain Jaudon wrote on Thu, 25 June 2009 12:45

Does seem that they want me to verify (prove) 51% manufacture in the USA.  I must request labor and component breakdown (of every item I am installing) from the factory.  Down to the soldering with man hour totals from each.  

They say I can call a partnering meeting with the Government and see what we can negotiate.


This would be mildly amusing if it wasn't such obvious evidence of how bad they are screwing the pooch..

Imagine people all across the country wrestling with that same stipulation. The sound industry is not unique in its offshore content.

No wonder so little of the stimulus has made it into the economy.

Sorry that you are bearing the burden for their self serving political posturing.

Yeah, they're helping us all right... Throw the bums out... they clearly lack a shred of common sense.


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Re: MADE IN THE USA - how do you know?
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2009, 04:26:52 pm »

Rain Jaudon wrote on Thu, 25 June 2009 12:21

trust me - Im not a dishonest person, but the "sticker" and Photoshop idea did cross my mind.  Very Happy


it wouldn't be dishonest to say that the "whole system" was made in the USA (by you)
you built it from components, the same as an amplifier or mixer would be built using components from overseas.

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