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[Marjan Milosevic]

All of you are forgetting one thing.

He is from Croatia. There are no used EAW, Yorkville, Nexo .... you name it top brand products to buy there. And if he transport them from USA it will cost an arm and a leg to get it there.

Daniel PM me your email address. (This is so we can talk on our language, as you can see his English is not very good)

[Danijel Horvat]

Marjan Milosevic(MarjanM) wrote on Sun, 28 December 2008 17:49

All of you are forgetting one thing. He is from Croatia. There are no used EAW, Yorkville, Nexo .... you name it top brand products to buy there. And if he transport them from USA it will cost an arm and a leg to get it there. Daniel PM me your email address. (This is so we can talk on our language, as you can see his English is not very good)

I can buy this speakers here, but for +50% in price         And yea, here no used equipment.

[Josh Billings]

Hmmm...well if you get 8 LABs i'm sure you can cover quite a few people. Not sure if you can get 2,000 outdoors with the kind of volume you're looking for, but probably darn close.

Make sure you keep at least a block of 4 together. 4 per side is probably what you would end up with. I do house music and we use four for crowds ranging from 300-600 people. We have plenty of headroom through and we aren't slamming them too hard. These are also indoors, not outdoors.

It's a project that involves a lot of work, but there is a great reward. However when it comes time to sell, you will lose quite a bit of money as people do not know anything about these and a speaker with a brand on it will fetch more money.

-Josh Billings

[John Halliburton]

Josh Billings wrote on Sun, 28 December 2008 18:27

Hmmm...well if you get 8 LABs i'm sure you can cover quite a few people. Not sure if you can get 2,000 outdoors with the kind of volume you're looking for, but probably darn close. Make sure you keep at least a block of 4 together. 4 per side is probably what you would end up with. I do house music and we use four for crowds ranging from 300-600 people. We have plenty of headroom through and we aren't slamming them too hard. These are also indoors, not outdoors. It's a project that involves a lot of work, but there is a great reward. However when it comes time to sell, you will lose quite a bit of money as people do not know anything about these and a speaker with a brand on it will fetch more money. -Josh Billings

I suspect he can get away with using LAB subwoofers, as others pointed out.  The first question that comes to mind is can he build them?  Either he needs to be a reasonably experienced cabinetmaker, or know someone who is, and have a shop with  a decent table saw as the main stationary power tool.  Routers that are set up to cut circles would be next on my list, and then air powered nail or staple guns.  
Since the used equipment marketplace seems non-existent there according to Daniel and Marjan, building them would be a real alternative to getting top quality subwoofers at a very good price, and hopefully help him in his business endeavors.  As Josh points out, there should be little hope for selling them later at even the value of the parts.
Given the type of music event described, I'd prefer having 10-12 for an outdoor event with 2000 people attending, but as Josh says, eight may be just enough.

Best regards,

John

[Danijel Horvat]

Daniel Kaiser wrote on Sun, 28 December 2008 19:17

Marjan Milosevic(MarjanM) wrote on Sun, 28 December 2008 17:49 All of you are forgetting one thing. He is from Croatia. There are no used EAW, Yorkville, Nexo .... you name it top brand products to buy there. And if he transport them from USA it will cost an arm and a leg to get it there. Daniel PM me your email address. (This is so we can talk on our language, as you can see his English is not very good) I can buy this speakers here, but for +50% in price         And yea, here no used equipment.

one more price comparison:
peavey versarray sub 218 cost in Croatia for 4-8 units 2000$ per box      
In u.s.a I can buy it for 1100$ per unit. For  this difference in price I can buy 8 subs with two 8kw itech amps!!!

[Art Welter]

Daniel,

Since electronics and amps are near double the cost in Croatia, and if labor, wood, storage and transportation are relatively cheap, building horn loaded subs is the way to go.

However, in small rooms, the advantage of horn subs will be less, and you don’t get the low frequency extension until you couple several.

If you were consistently doing more shows in the 2000 person range, 8 or more Lab subs would be a good investment. It will not split up that well though, so you may loose on the cheap and cheerful rentals.

If most of your market is in the 200 person range, you are probably better off with more small ported cabinets than a few big Lab subs. Storage and transportation can be a major issue, and you will probably get more money faster with small units, and then could afford to expand into the larger market.

Many PA companies find they make more money with a “speakers on sticks” than anything else, bigger is not always better. There are advantages to being a “one box” house, but I really think there is such a difference between a small time DJ wanting to rent a sub for a little dance at a bar and an outdoor rave for 2000 that you are better off addressing them separately.

For rentals, I would be inclined to find an inexpensive plate amp and put it into a ported 15” speaker box. Put stacking feet and female receptacles on each box so they won’t vibrate off each other when in a stack. Every box can be sent out alone, or multiples as large as needed, and if you have an amp or speaker failure, you only are out one unit.

Art Welter

[Josh Billings]

the ported 15 is a good idea, but i'd probably go with an 18 and double 18" cabinets. They are easier to move, just as easy to make and cost less to make (wood).

However to do 2,000 people...you are looking at A LOT of Dual 18s.

Yeah you definitely need to figure out what you are going to do. If you rarely do shows of 500 or more just go with some dual 18s and scale accordingly. If you are constantly doing shows 500+ then the labs may be the way to go. It is kind a pain in the ass to setup all 4 subs for a show that could easily just take a couple dual 18s and be done with it.

-Josh Billings

[Danijel Horvat]

Another subs which I considered is Peavey versarray 218, rcf tts28 and eaw LA400. First two have 2.5kW and is double 18". But for these I need one amp in bridge with 4-5kW. LA400 is much smaller, lighter, have more sensitivity and I can drive 8 cans with one labgruppen fp+ 13000 amp. But, I don't know how perform horn in smaller indoor place? LA400 is portable version EAW monstrum DCS2 which is build for clubs. So, maybe is LA400 way to go. With 8 LA400 I think that I can have enough power for 500 people indoor?

[Marjan Milosevic]

LA400 is a good box but as a single dont go low enough for me. 45 Hz if i remember it correctly. So you must stack at least 4 in a group to hit the low note. If LA400 is an option for you then you should look at the Punisher box.

http://www.speakerstore.nl/index.php?pg=11&c=21

There are many more portable solutions than Lab sub. Especially if you dont have a permanent team working for you. Be aware that Labs are really big and heavy boxes.

[Danijel Horvat]

My bass boxes never work alone. Always in group or 4,6,8...So and LA400 will work in group of 4 or more. I dont need to low response, nothing bellow 35-40hz. This first oktave is only stress for amps, current draw is big with no any effects on sound quality modern dance music...I need cheest punch "effect" which is in 70-120hz region.