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Mike Pyle

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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2008, 08:40:31 pm »

The TH-Mini would be good. There are also a number of small lightweight powered subs that would work to supplement the bass in your system. These include the EV Sb2a, which has a cabinet similar to the SX300, the FBT Jolly Sub 12a, 10a and Verve 15sa (also available unpowered at 62 lbs), the RCF TTS12A (pricey, as Winston noted), the Yorkville NX720S/LS720P and NX200S/LS200P. I think the heaviest cabinet in this list are ~75 lbs.
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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2008, 02:05:54 pm »

Cliff Adams wrote on Thu, 27 November 2008 07:13

I am assembling a new PA rig: I have 4 EV Sx300s and a Crown Xti 2000 to drive them. Need a pair of subs that are not horrendously heavy! I want to maintain a healthy volume so that people can converse as they enjoy the music, BUT feel motivated to dance. The point is - I care!

Personally, I've always liked the sound of bass guitar speakers on a PA, because you get lots of warm tone. But many consumers/dancefloor pedestrians seem to want piled-up bass frequencies that loosen building mortar and chase older audience members - my beloved Baby Boomers - out of the joint.

Group is bass, drums, guitar, synth, boy singer, girl singer. Volume 110db-ish.

Let's do the physically impossible; have bass that snaps instead of flaps, with a pair of compact subs, with power for my synths and kick to support my vocalists. Suggestions?  Smile


It's been a while since I've tossed any ideas at anyone.  This forum tends to have it's favorites so at the risk of being heckled for my opinions - here - look at these...

http://www.ramsdellproaudio.com/products/subs/FL-1-18.html

http://www.ramsdellproaudio.com/images/products/largehiq/subs/FL-1-18-FlylitePortable_lrg.jpg


http://www.ramsdellproaudio.com/products/subs/TL18_2.htm

http://www.ramsdellproaudio.com/images/products/largehiq/subs/TL-18_2_lrg.jpg

Get a Crown XTi4000 and you could configure it to power the subs AND your tops and then use your XTi2000 for monitors.
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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2008, 04:23:02 pm »

Cliff Adams wrote on Sat, 29 November 2008 01:05


... cost no more than necessary ...


Uf, that one is really something. I don't think many products cost more than absolutely necessary.

... or do they ?  Confused
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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2008, 06:11:32 pm »

Nooow, you're talkin.
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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2008, 06:13:05 pm »

Uf? Uf, indeed. You, sir, have never shopped for a new car with my WIFE!!
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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2008, 06:18:31 pm »

Ok, I pulled the old TDM crossover off the shelf and dusted it off. It was crossed over at 90, NOT at 200 Hz. Still sounds good after a 14-year rest.
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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2008, 06:44:34 pm »

Ramsdells DO look good. I enjoyed the videos on your web site, too!!! Check it out, guys, he can PLAY!
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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2008, 10:09:03 am »

Cliff Adams wrote on Fri, 28 November 2008 17:08

I'm just going to have to audition a 410 front-vented box and compare to an 18. I'm thinking that subs are for home theaters and discos.


...subwoofer freqs are effects, not music.



Cliff, it seems that you have a considerably different idea about what you want your PA to sound like than what might be considered normal these days, or should I say in the last 30 years.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to sound different, but I for one am thoroughly confused as to your intentions.

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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2008, 12:38:06 pm »

Jeff Babcock wrote on Mon, 01 December 2008 09:09

Cliff Adams wrote on Fri, 28 November 2008 17:08

I'm just going to have to audition a 410 front-vented box and compare to an 18. I'm thinking that subs are for home theaters and discos.


...subwoofer freqs are effects, not music.



Cliff, it seems that you have a considerably different idea about what you want your PA to sound like than what might be considered normal these days, or should I say in the last 30 years.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to sound different, but I for one am thoroughly confused as to your intentions.




My Dad doesn't appreciate anything more than AM radio bandwidth.  And I can understand where he is coming from.  Extended bass that is done poorly might not be better than well done bass that only extends to 75hz.  Most musical instruments don't need low bass to be appreciated.  As Antone wrote, electric bass guitar (especially the old motown types) is actually pretty deficient in the fundamentals but rich in harmonics.  Fat bass doesn't necessarily have to go low.  And when it comes to extended treble.... if you are an american over 60, can you even hear above 8khz?  

Without hearing what the original poster does musically, I'm not sure what to recommend.  

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Re: subs that SNAP instead of FLAP
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2008, 06:49:52 pm »

Cliff Adams wrote on Fri, 28 November 2008 15:08

Andy's right - again - about the 'snap' coming from the top boxes. Guys, I'm just going to have to audition a 410 front-vented box and compare to an 18. I'm thinking that subs are for home theaters and discos. And disco sucks! Or did...


A 4x10 box is good if you're playing a bass through an SVT head. The 8x10 box? Doubly so.

But the 18" drivers in a proper enclosure will play much lower.

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In other words, subwoofer freqs are effects, not music. Did they pass new regs while I was out of circulation? Is it now required that bands all sound like Genesis in Madison Square?


I suppose there's an argument to be made that modern kick drum sounds (bass punching you in the chest) are indeed effects. But sure, a lot of that punch is actually from the lows in the box, and the infamous Metallica CLICK is all 2" compression driver. And some people think that we put subs on an aux send because using subs is an "effect." But really -- if you want that bottom octave that is de rigeuer for what the kids these days call ROCK AND ROLL, you need subs.

Now I have no problem with bands sounding like Genesis, as long as Steve Hackett is playing guitar and Peter Gabriel is singing. That Collins guy's voice and his solo records, I have no use for, though his drumming is solid (though he's no Bruford).

I did a show with (one of) the School Of Rock All-Stars, and this 11-year-old kid sang "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" like nobody's business.

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