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[Dave Rickard]

Nimrod Webber wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 08:49

Rick Powell wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 16:22 Nimrod, Nice packaging, but I'd bet that 90% of weekend warriors in USA leave them attached to their On Stage speaker stands between uses Not sure what you're referring to by "On Stage" stands.

I think he means $49 tripods.

[Gerry Seymour]

Nimrod Webber wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 09:49

Rick Powell wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 16:22 Nimrod, Nice packaging, but I'd bet that 90% of weekend warriors in USA leave them attached to their On Stage speaker stands between uses Not sure what you're referring to by "On Stage" stands. If you mean permanent installs, then they don't need fold-able stands and BT-12s (or any other pole mounted tilting adaptors for for that matter) in the first place. They can use any wall mounted support with built in tilt capability. If you mean keeping them attached to the stands when folded and not in use, then they may have two issues: 1. I don't think a standard speaker stand bag (or dedicated case) will take the extra 6" (150mm) needed for the BT-12. 2. And, the one who doesn't use proper bag or case for his stands (and/or his other equipment...) will probably (also) not bother tilting his cabs, or spend money on a tilting adaptor in the first place. I think realizing the importance of tilting for better coverage, as well as wanting your gear to keep looking as new, go together and are few of the 'signs' of pro and seasoned audio techs. I am offering a solution for both.

He's talking about the cheap speaker stands found leaning against the wall next to my....

Um, he means low-end stands used by many who don't take such good care of their equipment.

I'd argue that someone who isn't spending over $150 on a stand (in most cases, a pair) is unlikely to spend $500 on tilters, as their cabs probably don't cost $500 each. Not the BT12's market.

[BarryWillems]

Ouch. I have been following this thread awaiting the availability of this product. But alas, $460 a pair + shipping? Looks like a quality product, for sure, but this is pricey for a pretty basic function. Now I will be waiting for some very rave reviews before considering a purchase.

[Jon Smith]

BarryWillems wrote on Mon, 05 April 2010 18:42

Ouch. I have been following this thread awaiting the availability of this product. But alas, $460 a pair + shipping? Looks like a quality product, for sure, but this is pricey for a pretty basic function. Now I will be waiting for some very rave reviews before considering a purchase.

Expensive, yes. But I see it as a tool that I will be happy with every time I use it! I paid $120 for a set of K&M Speaker tilts (#19670.000.55) I used twice and they now sit in the bottom of a case unused. I didn't feel comfortable using them with my EV Sx250's. Right at the weight limit for one, approax. 50lbs. Second the forward tilt, COG, sandbagging situation ugly looking indoors. I always felt like they were going to break the stand or fall and really hurt someone. Another thing was the tilt adjustment. It was a guessing game to get the same angle on both tilts let alone have the cabinets squared looking to the audience. If you've ever used this product you know what I mean.

So to wrap up a kind of product review if you will, the time to set up, adjust the angle be happy with the look and feel safe with a product, hands down I can't wait for Nimrod to put these up for sale!

Kind of like the old Mervyns ad, open, open open...  

Jon

edit: added K&M Model Number

[Gerry Seymour]

Jon Smith wrote on Mon, 05 April 2010 20:22

BarryWillems wrote on Mon, 05 April 2010 18:42 Ouch. I have been following this thread awaiting the availability of this product. But alas, $460 a pair + shipping? Looks like a quality product, for sure, but this is pricey for a pretty basic function. Now I will be waiting for some very rave reviews before considering a purchase. Expensive, yes. But I see it as a tool that I will be happy with every time I use it! I paid $120 for a set of K&M Speaker tilts (#19670.000.55) I used twice and they now sit in the bottom of a case unused. I didn't feel comfortable using them with my EV Sx250's. Right at the weight limit for one, approax. 50lbs. Second the forward tilt, COG, sandbagging situation ugly looking indoors. I always felt like they were going to break the stand or fall and really hurt someone. Another thing was the tilt adjustment. It was a guessing game to get the same angle on both tilts let alone have the cabinets squared looking to the audience. If you've ever used this product you know what I mean. So to wrap up a kind of product review if you will, the time to set up, adjust the angle be happy with the look and feel safe with a product, hands down I can't wait for Nimrod to put these up for sale! Kind of like the old Mervyns ad, open, open open...   Jon edit: added K&M Model Number

+1

Tech budget is hard to come by in our organization, but I'll be lobbying hard for a pair of these in our rig upgrade, for the times when I can't fly the mains. If I have to, I'll buy them, myself.

[Rick Powell]

[quote title=Gerry Seymour wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 15:47]

Quote:

He's talking about the cheap speaker stands found leaning against the wall next to my.... Um, he means low-end stands used by many who don't take such good care of their equipment. I'd argue that someone who isn't spending over $150 on a stand (in most cases, a pair) is unlikely to spend $500 on tilters, as their cabs probably don't cost $500 each. Not the BT12's market.

I agree, for the price, it is less likely that weekend warriors with $50 stands will be a big customer.  I really would like a pair myself, and have the cash, but I will also have to weigh my needs before popping for a pair.  And with a nice tool like the BT looks to be, I would want to keep them in good condition.  Reminds me, I need to order those padded covers for my Triple 8's.

[frank kayser]

These look to be wonderful tools.
The price did give me pause -

Nimrod, as I understand previous posts, will not be making a square million of these, and as it is a manufacturing short run, he'll need to cover his costs.  Short runs are always much more expensive per piece, given the setup and all.  We've all followed his trials in getting these produced, and there is probably much more we have not seen.  I have no doubt these are a quality product.

I guess we'll have to wait for some unscrupulous company to copy them, and make them in China, for them to be "cheap".

[BarryWillems]

Hey, I have no problem shelling out a little more money for truly top quality gear. However, at this price point I will need more than mock-up pics and everyone sort of guessing about how nice these things will be. I'm looking forward to some feedback from real users of the production versions before I dive in. Also, I expect shipping these to the US will be pricey (assuming air freight versus waiting months for the water-based route). So I guess I wait a little longer to see what happens. Still quite interested at this point.

[Jon Smith]

BarryWillems wrote on Tue, 06 April 2010 16:17

Hey, I have no problem shelling out a little more money for truly top quality gear. However, at this price point I will need more than mock-up pics and everyone sort of guessing about how nice these things will be. I'm looking forward to some feedback from real users of the production versions before I dive in. Also, I expect shipping these to the US will be pricey (assuming air freight versus waiting months for the water-based route). So I guess I wait a little longer to see what happens. Still quite interested at this point.

Barry, didn't mean to imply anything by my post. Sorry if it came across that way. I have been following Nimrods progress with the development of this product so for me it has been one of those, ”I gotta have that,“ type thing.  

Also, until you pointed it out I had not noticed Nimrod was in Israel. So, I will still be an early bird on the purchase and give a review I hope to be glorious.

Jon “tilting at windmills” Smith

[Rick Stansby]

BarryWillems wrote on Tue, 06 April 2010 15:17

Hey, I have no problem shelling out a little more money for truly top quality gear. However, at this price point I will need more than mock-up pics and everyone sort of guessing about how nice these things will be. I'm looking forward to some feedback from real users of the production versions before I dive in. Also, I expect shipping these to the US will be pricey (assuming air freight versus waiting months for the water-based route). So I guess I wait a little longer to see what happens. Still quite interested at this point.

I wonder if Nimrod would be willing to provide a pair for the PSW Road Test.