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[Lee Osborne]

Hi friends,

I'm currently using a SM58 Beta microphone. I tried a friends Sennheiser e835 and prefered it.

I'm now torn between the e835 and the e845. Does anyone know if the e845 is a better choice as its only a little more expensive? The latter is a super-cardioid.

I've heard that you have to sing differently into it as its more like a condenser microphone.


I don't want to change my singing style!

Any advice appreciated.

Lee.

[Phil Lewandowski]

The 845 is just the super-cardioid version of the 835.  So if you need the extra rejection from the sides that would be the mic for you...

But I have used the 835's a good amount and have to agree with many people here that they are very good value mics and they are not for every type of voice and some voices they just sound horrible with!

If you are looking at the 835's I would look on step up at the 935s.  They are awesome and I know Evan has used them a lot and really likes them.  If you can squeeze the extra money I would!

Take Care!
Phil

[Lee Osborne]

Thanks Phil.

Extra rejection?

I have a baritone voice. Rich in the lower end. I sing a lot of swing music (sinatra, matt monroe, etc). But I also have to sing general pop music from time to time.

I like a mic to sound reasonably warm, clarity, and add a little sparkle so to speak. I like the sound of the e835.

So am I guessing that I would have to demo each mic to know what I want?

Lee.

[Phil Lewandowski]

Lee Osborne wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 21:18

Thanks Phil. Extra rejection? I have a baritone voice. Rich in the lower end. I sing a lot of swing music (sinatra, matt monroe, etc). But I also have to sing general pop music from time to time. I like a mic to sound reasonably warm, clarity, and add a little sparkle so to speak. I like the sound of the e835. So am I guessing that I would have to demo each mic to know what I want? Lee.

Yes, absolutely that is the best way.  Especially if you are the main person using it that is the best way!

Having a baritone voice I have had some very good luck with the 835's on that type of a voice, so if you are the main user of it that may actually work well for you have save you some $$$!  The 935's are just generally smoother and don't have the slight harshness with some voice in the upper mids.  So you would have to decide it it worth the extra ~$70-80.

Phil

[Lee Osborne]

Thanks Phil.

So the 845 and 945 are better at rejecting feedback I take it as opposed ot the 835 and 935?

Would I have to change my singing style if I use a 845 rather than a 835? I'm thinking that I would have to sing directly into the centre of the flat part of the head, rather than singing into the side and top of the head like I would on any other mic?

Lee.

[Matt Vivlamore]

the 835 to 935 sound very similar... but with the 935 I can turn the monitors up a little bit more and I think the 935 has a little more crispness.

[Lee Osborne]

Cheers Matt That's very useful info. I'm looking for a little more crispness.

[John Stoffel]

Matt Vivlamore wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 21:35

the 835 to 935 sound very similar... but with the 935 I can turn the monitors up a little bit more and I think the 935 has a little more crispness.

I use the 935 everyday and to me it is far better about gain vs. feedback. Yes I still use wedges( 12 am).
The 935 is more "crisp" but for my artist that works.

John Stoffel
Monitor Engineer
Blake Shelton

[Bruce Gering]

Phil Lewandowski wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 20:09

The 845 is just the super-cardioid version of the 835.

Maybe so in design, but not in response. The 845 has a smoother top with more HF extension and is not as hyped in the upper midrange as the 835.

Phil Lewandowski wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 20:09

I would look on step up at the 935s.  They are awesome and I know Evan has used them a lot and really likes them.  If you can squeeze the extra money I would!

 Agreed!

[Evan Kirkendall]

Yes, The Sennheiser e935 is where it's at. I was sent 6 various mics from Sennheiser to try out with my band. We played around with them all at sound check one day, and everyone liked the e935 the most. The e835 just sounded too uneven and top end heavy to me. The e935 is also a huge step up from the SM and B58's.




Evan

[Lee Osborne]

[quote title=Bruce Gering wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 02:50]

Phil Lewandowski wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 20:09

The 845 is just the super-cardioid version of the 835.

The 845 has a frequency response very, very similar to the 935 and 945. The 9 series are twice as expensive as the 8 series. I don't mind paying more for a clearly better mic of course

I'm leaning towards the 845, 935 or 945 at the moment. 835 is out of the equation at least.

How does super-cardioid affect normal live singing at a venue?

Lee.

[Joseph Yoon Jr.]

Lee Osborne wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 00:23

I'm leaning towards the 845, 935 or 945 at the moment. 835 is out of the equation at least. How does super-cardioid affect normal live singing at a venue? Lee.

if you have proper mic technique, it really shouldn't affect normal singing in a live venue--as others have mentioned, it should help you achieve higher gain levels before feedback from the monitors (if you're using wedges)

the cardioid/ super-cardioid refers to the pickup patterns of the microphones, and the super-cardioid mics have a "narrower" sound pickup pattern to better reject on-stage noise from the side [whether the noise comes from other instruments/vocals, or monitors]

[Lee Osborne]

I understand. Thank you

Lee.

[Lee Osborne]

Evan, did you try the e945 also?

I'm trying to decide between the e935 and the e945.

The latter has better feedback rejection.

Lee.

[Matt Vivlamore]

Lee Osborne wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 06:22

Evan, did you try the e945 also? I'm trying to decide between the e935 and the e945. The latter has better feedback rejection. Lee.

Lee, the band that Evan is mentioning is primarily on IEMs.  

[Dave Dermont]

Matt Vivlamore wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 08:00

Lee Osborne wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 06:22 Evan, did you try the e945 also? I'm trying to decide between the e935 and the e945. The latter has better feedback rejection. Lee. Lee, the band that Evan is mentioning is primarily on IEMs.

A mic's pattern as well as it's off-axis frequency response can have a lot to do with how they sound on IEMs.

I have seen cases where the mic that made the talent most comfortable was not the FOH guy's first choice.

I think the "change your singing style" thing may have something to do with having to be more "on mic" when you use a hypercardioid mic like the 845 or 945. It's not the singing style that may need to change as much as the mic technique.

[Rusty Irby]

Print off this add and take it to any Guitar Center and they will sell you the E835's for that price, since they do price matching now. I will be visiting my GC today. And I did the research, and these are new mics never opened. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002H0RFY

[Ben Gingerich]

maybe some one could tell me what i have, it was a dealer package thing a few years ago and the guy i worked for bought a bunch of them and then sold them to me, it is the Sennheiser 855, i really like the mic but i cant even find a spec sheet on them i have 15 of them.
Does anyone know anything about them?

[Lee Osborne]

Thanks, but I'm not looking for prices. Just information on the mics.

Lee.

[Bruce Gering]

Ben Gingerich wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 11:02

maybe some one could tell me what i have, it was a dealer package thing a few years ago and the guy i worked for bought a bunch of them and then sold them to me, it is the Sennheiser 855, i really like the mic but i cant even find a spec sheet on them i have 15 of them. Does anyone know anything about them?

The e855 was great sounding mic, but they took a back seat to the e865 and e845 in sales. Sadly, it was discontinued. I have only heard it once in a live situation when I was behind the board, but I recall liking it very much, esp for that singers voice.

[Jon Regimbal]

Ben Gingerich wrote on Thu, 14 August 2008 09:02

maybe some one could tell me what i have, it was a dealer package thing a few years ago and the guy i worked for bought a bunch of them and then sold them to me, it is the Sennheiser 855, i really like the mic but i cant even find a spec sheet on them i have 15 of them. Does anyone know anything about them?

Ben,

I have an e855 I used to sing through as my main vocal mike.  I now take it with me as a backup for a KMS105 to louder gigs.  If I need higher GBF than I can get with the 105, I switch to the e855.

I still have all of the packaging and literature, which has the polar response plot and the frequency response chart.  I just bought an all-in-one printer, so I finally have a scanner.  I'll get it hooked up in the next few days.  If you can't find the material on the web, PM me and I'll scan and e-mail the spec information.  It'll give me a reason to try the scanner.

Jon

[Lee Osborne]

Just found out that the Sennheiser e840 has the same capsule in as the e935. Half the price too

I checked the frequency response chart on their website too.

Lee.

[Tim Padrick]

Go to: http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/old_manual.nsf/resource s/e855.pdf/$File/e855.pdf  (Scroll to page 13 for English.)

[Ben Gingerich]

Thanks for the information. the other thing i like using the e855 for is trombone, i work with a group every once in a while that has a few (4 or 5) different horns and the 855 always sounds really good.