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[Dave Alderdice]

Wow!  Did someone actually insure that?

I wonder if Molly Hatchet, Rick Springfield and Blake Shelton's people will go on with their performances this weekend?  

The surprise is that the promoter is actually charging upwards of $60 a ticket for shows on that stage.  

It's a shame that some young person (people?) had to climb up there and build that monstrosity.  Let's hope that no one gets hurt.

[Tim McCulloch]

Eric Deweese wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 14:36

I hereby cast a vote to make this a sticky thread of what NOT to do... People need to see this, and unfortunately I see stuff like this more often than not around my part of the country. No I am not part of it either.

Eric-

The problem is the people who do these kinds of things have no idea how unsafe the resulting "structure" is.

There are plenty of guys out there that probably can't see the errors in this one, it would require (as Arlo Guthrie told us) "circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back..." before they would find 15% of the issues our readers have already found.

Mac, how about a sticky thread in the Basement or Lighting forums on "how NOT to do....." ?  Is that realistic?

Tim "still shuddering" Mc

[Guy Nix]

This post makes me feel bad for all the times I bitched about a venue's accommodations when I was playing.  I can't believe whoever provided the rig allowed it to be set up under such conditions.

[Milt Hathaway]

Tim McCulloch wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 14:43

Mac, how about a sticky thread in the Basement or Lighting forums on "how NOT to do....." ?  Is that realistic?

Add this one to the list, then: http://web.mac.com/kyosuke/Site/Roof.html

There was a discussion here about it, oddly enough with a similar title: http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/133401/90/

[Ken Newman]

Holy Shit!

That is worse than what some third world countries might put up for a stage!

To think that it's right in our heartland, in beautiful Indiana, is just a disgrace!

Any chance we can start naming names?

Production managers? Technical directors? Sound companies?

This is just a RECIPE for disaster, and with all the people that have gotten killed or injured by accidents in the entertainment business lately, we don't need any more accidents!

[Charlie Zureki]

Ken Newman wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 15:16

Holy Shit! That is worse than what some third world countries might put up for a stage! To think that it's right in our heartland, in beautiful Indiana, is just a disgrace! Any chance we can start naming names? Production managers? Technical directors? Sound companies? This is just a RECIPE for disaster, and with all the people that have gotten killed or injured by accidents in the entertainment business lately, we don't need any more accidents!

Ken,

I agree, maybe it's time to start naming names, posting as if it were a News Report.
It could be written with only the details, such as  Company Names, Dates, Venues, possibly with photos of "unsafe practices" or Accidents, people injured (or worse), no Commentaries, just the Facts.

Maybe a year to year "report card" with the vendors names being deleted after a year with no incidents.

If Show system providers start seeing their names being posted, maybe they'll put people first, and insure that they are doing things the safe way.

 Opinions?

Hammer

Hammer

[Craig Hauber]

Mike Babcock wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 10:30

The guidelines set by the UK and other EU countries are the very reason why I am SOOOOOOOOOOO happy to be on my way there on Aug 10th. I have 3 more shows in the states, 1 of which I feel good about in Ventura next week. The other 2, well, we shall see.

Don't look too close at the roof structure at Seaside park in Ventura.  It's steel and been within 600' of the pacific for as long as I've been in town.  -Our fair's main-stage venue sucks -it's at in a dirt-track oval and local populace has bitched about it for years.

[John Horvath]

Tom Reid, for the love of God man, please rephrase or add to your post.. If someone's reading quickly thru this thread, they could easily get the idea Brian or I had something to do with this pile of shit.

Mike, thank you for posting these.  The people that run this fair decided to hire a couple of shit companies from outside the county, and even the state for that matter.  These pics might come in handy, that is if they want it done right next year and they're willing to pay for it.

[Jason Tubbs]

Mike Babcock wrote on Sat, 02 August 2008 10:40

Since the majority of it does not deal with audio, I will fully understand if Mac moves this to the basement.

I think everyone would agree that safety is always on-topic!

Just astounding.

jt

[Scott Fahy]

Mike,
All  I can say is I am glad you and Jon made it through this fiasco safely.  It reminds me  of a show i did years ago, the band said "For what we are getting paid it is not the worth the risk" and never walked onstage.

Scott

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