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Author Topic: Why Does Live Sound Suck?  (Read 46399 times)

Michael 'Bink' Knowles

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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2008, 01:31:42 am »

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Reminds me of a t-shirt that made me crack up recently.

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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2008, 01:53:03 am »

I want that shirt... absolutely brilliant hahah.
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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2008, 02:07:19 am »

Your "Concert Goers' Bill of Rights" is cute...  

The issues it addresses will almost certainly never be rectified on the small/mid-sized club level.  At least, not until bands start caring about how they sound.

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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2008, 04:11:34 am »

Have to say, the last few concerts I attended sounded very good.
Golden Earring, Heineken Music Hall Amsterdam using Turbo Aspect (outstanding!)
Therion, Melkweg using Martin Line array (excellent).
Carl Verheyen, JBL (really kicked).
Looking forward to seeing Kamelot at the Paradiso next week, using Martin line Array install, (sounded great on previous shows). Smile Then its off to see Cirque De Soleil Varakai and Delirium, anyone know what PA they use?  


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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2008, 04:22:10 am »

Every Cirque show I've seen is using Meyer.
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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2008, 04:31:26 am »

Thanks Jamie, I saw Alegria two years back and I'm fairly sure it was Meyer, sounded good too!
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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2008, 06:36:08 am »

The "O" show in Vegas uses a Renkus Heinz rig.

While many Cirque show use Meyer, sometimes there are other brands of cabinets mixed in as well-especially in the sub range.
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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2008, 07:28:31 am »

Jason Tubbs wrote on Wed, 26 March 2008 07:07

Your "Concert Goers' Bill of Rights" is cute...  

The issues it addresses will almost certainly never be rectified on the small/mid-sized club level.  At least, not until bands start caring about how they sound.

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Re: Why Does Live Sound Suck?
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2008, 09:16:42 am »

A good question.. and one I ask about 90% of the time at shows. While many here are quick to point out that venue accoustics, system quality, and muso group skill and quality are often to blame, the vast majority of bad sound I observe is from what are nothing more than bad adjustments, or poor performers, and sometimes a bit of both. It seems as if the vast majority have got down the concept of the kick drum sound, for instance.. but don't have a clue that the vocal soloist needs to have a smooth, even response to the voice, and that things don't have to be loud all the time to sound good, that WHY is it there is a performer up there doing something.. but we all can't hear it.. or that distorted isn't the same as loud,, and that even an underpowered system CAN be successfully used to make a show happen.. even if you get marks off for not being loud enough.
It bothers me a lot. I think if we all had a way to teach what we do.. and make a living still.. I know I would, believe me.
Please, I'm not saying I'm better than everyone else. I am sure that many of you have observed the same things yourselves.. and asked the WHY question.. at least a few times a month.
I'm glad the OP asked the question.. I know it has been bothering me for some time.. and I was ready to post the same question.
Though, I don't plan to go to his BLOG.. Twisted Evil
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Re: Why do grumpy audio guys try to do A/V?
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2008, 09:37:36 am »

Your ill-informed, baseless, off topic personal attack really doesn't even warrant a response, but I wanted to clear up one thing:
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I strongly suggest you get you own house in order before you bash an entire industry of hard working folks.


I hope that it's pretty clear from what I wrote that my ultimate objective is to gain support for doing it right.  I wrote NOTHING that
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Many people posted constructive comments already (and by constructive I don't mean they all agreed with me, or support my premise) and I thank them.  

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