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Whit Hutchinson

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EAW SB-850 vs...
« on: March 09, 2008, 11:18:52 pm »

What are you guys opinions on this sub vs. newer high output 2x18 designs (ex. Vessary sub).  I have heard them in certain venues where 4 or less are used and they don't seem to get it done really (in my opinion).  Maybe they were being run conservatively.  

My question is are these still better than all other 2x18 designs that are currently popular in terms of real world output and extension? (JBL, PV, Etc)

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In most instances I have heard them under KF-850s 1 per sub.   Other times under some 650s
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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 11:23:26 pm »

Well I have 6 subs and they do get loud. Very Clean.

I agree there is some new gear out there that doesn't have as much distortion and get's louder with less Watts. But the SB850 is probably the best you can get for you $$ right now if you get them used.

The sb1000 get's a little louder.

I've seen a lot of good reviews on Danley sound labs, but never heard it.

Do a search you'll find a lot of info on Danley sound labs
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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2008, 08:53:52 pm »

I am just trying to figure how newer "High Powered" subs stack up against something as proven as the 850s.  Should a pair of 850s be able to walk over a pair of QW or Vessary subs as an example.  Giving both subs the necessary processing and power to make it "fair".

Consider:
Peavey QW/Vessary
JBL SRX
... Others along these lines that are +/- $700 or so.

I have never heard them side by side with anything else.  And I have heard the 1,000s before as well.  I have no doubt that those should be able to get it done over ANY other "High powered" MI sub.
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- KF 850s  over SB 1000s per side was designed to be a percussion instrument rather than a "soundpretty thing".

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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2008, 08:02:48 pm »

You probably should be comparing $2000 subs.  
MSRP on a new SB-850 is in the $2900.00 range. (of course nobody pays that, but you get the idea)  I found them to be a perfectly capable sub that doesn't use up alot of truck and isn't too bad to lift and stack.  I don't think you can get a much better bang-for-the-buck.  (The current ones are using the big 18-Sound driver which is quite bulletproof.)
Another good EAW sub using the same drivers and considerably less cost is the SB-528.  Yes they are huge, but I think they play lower than the SB-850 just a bit due to the larger cabinet. -MSRP is about $600 less for it though.



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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2008, 10:30:00 pm »

Craig Hauber wrote on Mon, 24 March 2008 00:02

You probably should be comparing $2000 subs.  
MSRP on a new SB-850 is in the $2900.00 range. (of course nobody pays that, but you get the idea)  I found them to be a perfectly capable sub that doesn't use up alot of truck and isn't too bad to lift and stack.  I don't think you can get a much better bang-for-the-buck.  (The current ones are using the big 18-Sound driver which is quite bulletproof.)
Another good EAW sub using the same drivers and considerably less cost is the SB-528.  Yes they are huge, but I think they play lower than the SB-850 just a bit due to the larger cabinet. -MSRP is about $600 less for it though.






Craig,  why should I compare them against $2,000 plus subs when a $1,200 subs may have similar results powered properly.  I think the SB is more efficient which is good in a way, but if a Q-wave or SRX type sub gets in the ballpark for half the price....I duno where I am going here.   Smile
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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2008, 03:51:15 pm »

I think the SB528 is the worst sub I've ever heard that comes with a $1000 street tag or more.  I wouldn't use em if someone gave them to me.  Disclaimer . . . proud owner of SB1000z with more to come.    

Just my buck three-eighty.
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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2008, 09:43:01 pm »

         I use Yorkville TX9s almost exclusively. I find that most professional front loaded double 18" subs  sound similar. With subs its all about having a decent box with good components and having the Right Number of them. With almost any double 18" sub it's really a numbers game. If 4 sb850's are not going to work 4 sb1000's won't work either.  On the other hand 8 Yorkville LS1004's Might just do the trick.

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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2008, 10:47:22 pm »

I agree.

As long as you have the right number. The difference is not that much from one to the other. What really makes the difference is the performer and a pro engineer.
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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 09:30:26 pm »

Grayson Rech wrote on Thu, 27 March 2008 12:51

I think the SB528 is the worst sub I've ever heard that comes with a $1000 street tag or more.  I wouldn't use em if someone gave them to me.  Disclaimer . . . proud owner of SB1000z with more to come.    

Just my buck three-eighty.
Grayson


I would have to disagree with you on that one. I used to use a set of 6 of them regularly and they put out. I would take them over QRX or most other any day, they will not put out as much as the SB100's but they aren't as expensive either.
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Re: EAW SB-850 vs...
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2008, 02:10:42 pm »

The SB-850 is a companion to the KF-850.  It is a tour-grade device designed for hard reliable use sonically and mechanically.  They can take knocks, drops and loader-abuse much better than either of the subs you've listed.  Things like dollyboards, covers and truck-pack are part of the design, but are an afterthought to the other products.
Yes, technology has improved the sonic capabilities of the under $1200 sub a long ways,  so comparing a used 10-year old 850 to a new JBL is probably a losing situation, but I still think the older sub will outlast them as a working revenue-generating product.  

Just my observations.  



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