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[Phil LaDue]

Jake Scudder wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 16:11

Greg Hershey wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 13:35 I wish PA would pass that law.  I hate smelling of smoke. There's a venue in Uniontown where you can still smoke in the theatre.  Quite a sight to see everybody puffing away during the load-in/out.

I know that in New York that many non-profit organizations are exempt.
It's not like you really have a choice when it's a public venue though.
Not to say there aren't times when the rule gets relaxed after a strike.(set, not labor )

[Mike Babcock]

As a smoker, the necessity of the ban isn't there for me. The necessity of having an area to smoke is more important. And a live music venue having an area not in the public where the musicians can smoke is even more important, which is the exact opposite of the venue last night. They actually wanted our musicians to walk from the stage, through the crowd, and upstairs to a packed balcony full of kids. Needless to say, the non-smoking backstage was pretty smoky.

I applaud airports that have smoking lounges, I applaud bars that have patios, I applaud restaurants with outdoor seating, I applaud hotels with balconies, those are the business owners that think about their customers. It sucks to have to go through TSA screening again, it sucks to take an elevator from the 23rd floor of whatever hotel we're in, stopping at every floor on the way down to the lobby, it sucks to have to leave your drink on the bar waiting for someone to put something in it or the barkeep to think you've left, in order to have a smoke. The smoking ban in restaurants theoretically makes it easier to dine and dash if one has the mind to do so

The smoking ban is cool, if there's also smoking areas made available.

[steven barnes]

its been like that for year in california. I personally think its a good thing as i don't smoke, and don't plan on starting. There was a lot of resistance from bars and clubs, but it is what it is majority rules. I don't think people think much about it anymore it just is what it is.

[Tony "T" Tissot]

Mike Babcock wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 14:32

The smoking ban in restaurants theoretically makes it easier to dine and dash if one has the mind to do so

Excellent point! - I've got to try it.

[Dave Unger]

Whatever happened to capitalism?  I say, let the market decide.  Leave it up to individual bar/restaurant owners.  If this was really a matter of "the majority," then business owners would go non-smoking on their own.  There were plenty of Yuppie-ass bars that were non-smoking here before the ban.  People could choose to go/work at those place.  

It is so sad to go to a diner or neighborhood bar where people have smoked for GENERATIONS and not be a ble to light up.  When most of the patrons are out on the street, not drinking, bothering the neighbors, how is this even remotely good for the bar in question, the neighborhood?  Here in Chitown you have to be 15 feet away from the entrance to the bar.     Try doing that on Rush St. (not that I frequent this area), where there is a bar every 5 feet!  I live across the street from a bar and it is obnoxious that at 1:30 am there are loud assholes smoking!!

I used to say, if you don't like the smoke get down on the floor.  

If you don't like that you can choose not to go to a smokey bar!!!!

d

[Dennis Wiggins]

The new ban in Illinois doesn't seem to have affected attendance that much.  I agree, the perfume is awesome; it's always been a high point for this DJ when the ladies pile onto the floor    !

Now; how many years until the smoke leaves my speaker cabs and equipment cases?  I'll be doing some  major "airing out" when the weather gets better.

-Dennis Wiggins

[Andy Peters]

Dave Unger wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 15:48

If you don't like that you can choose not to go to a smokey bar!!!!

What if you are a non-smoking sound provider and none of your client venues choose to go non-smoking? It's all well and good to say "don't go" but if it's your livelihood, what are you supposed to do?

You, as a smoker, choose to do so. You certainly chose to do so BEFORE you were addicted, and now you choose not to join a smoking-cessation program or otherwise quit. As a non-smoker, up until the smoking bans, I did not have a choice about doing non-smoking gigs. Unlike some other bad habits, smoking DOES affect people around the user.

Don't subject me to your ridiculous life choices.

-a

[Tony "T" Tissot]

Dave Unger wrote on Thu, 31 January 2008 14:48

Whatever happened to capitalism?  I say, let the market decide.  Leave it up to individual bar/restaurant owners.  If this was really a matter of "the majority," then business owners would go non-smoking on their own.  There were plenty of Yuppie-ass bars that were non-smoking here before the ban.  People could choose to go/work at those place.   It is so sad to go to a diner or neighborhood bar where people have smoked for GENERATIONS and not be a ble to light up.  When most of the patrons are out on the street, not drinking, bothering the neighbors, how is this even remotely good for the bar in question, the neighborhood?  Here in Chitown you have to be 15 feet away from the entrance to the bar.     Try doing that on Rush St. (not that I frequent this area), where there is a bar every 5 feet!  I live across the street from a bar and it is obnoxious that at 1:30 am there are loud assholes smoking!! I used to say, if you don't like the smoke get down on the floor.   If you don't like that you can choose not to go to a smokey bar!!!! d

And if you happen to have your job/career in that building?

[Randy Pence]

Berlin is set to theoretically start enforcing a non smoking law in all gastronomy facilities in june.   I say theoretically because the word on the street is that the city might still need to use its  potential reinforcement power on more important things, like youth crime.  I have already seen people smoking outside small pubs (called kneipes here).

I've always been a nonsmoker, but i do not like idea.  I do not want to have to wait on or hang out with friends that must smoke in the cold.  The smokey air is a turn on for me in terms of a more surreal atmosphere.  Virtually all venue employees I have ever met smoke anyway.  For me, nightlife is a means for the common citizen to relax and push stress away with a less regulated, musically social environment.  In combat environments, there will always be other, more liquid, messes that I worry about more when it comes to doing my job.

Rather than smoking regulated, I think a better solution would be requiring better ventilation, which benefits everyone regardless of smokers.  What is next?  Mandatory 95dbA volume restrictions?

[Tony Peaker]

Mike Babcock wrote on Fri, 01 February 2008 08:32

The smoking ban is cool, if there's also smoking areas made available.

We've had the smoking ban for a while here in Australia and I have had no problems with it. It's changed where I prefer to go because a venue with a smoking area makes more sense for my friends and I who smoke.

And, if we go somewhere without a smoking area, I smoke less