ProSoundWeb Community

Sound Reinforcement - Forums for Live Sound Professionals - Your Displayed Name Must Be Your Real Full Name To Post In The Live Sound Forums => HistoryOfConcertSound.org => Topic started by: Nick Simon on February 08, 2013, 03:26:39 pm

Title: loaded horn systems
Post by: Nick Simon on February 08, 2013, 03:26:39 pm
Does anybody remember or have pictures of a loaded horn PA from the 70's that were like fiberglass shells?  There were a couple of regional club bands that used them in the southern US.  Eli and Riverstreet were two bands that I remember that had them.  They were shaped kind of like North Drums.  I can't remember the name of them, but I can still see those big white dual 18 horn housings that latched on to the actual cabinet.  All of it had to be ratchet strapped together.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Rick Powell on February 08, 2013, 05:36:34 pm
Does anybody remember or have pictures of a loaded horn PA from the 70's that were like fiberglass shells?  There were a couple of regional club bands that used them in the southern US.  Eli and Riverstreet were two bands that I remember that had them.  They were shaped kind of like North Drums.  I can't remember the name of them, but I can still see those big white dual 18 horn housings that latched on to the actual cabinet.  All of it had to be ratchet strapped together.

Sounds like the Community Leviathan that had a speaker pod that latched to the big horn.  i had a pair, and a pair of 12" mids in a Community fiberglass horn, and a pair of Community HF horns w/JBL 2440 drivers.  It was a pretty loud system in the day.  There was a system with a bunch of Levis mounted in boxes that went on one of Boston's early tours.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Tim Weaver on February 08, 2013, 05:55:58 pm
Is that like a drunk boxer?
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 08, 2013, 09:09:26 pm
Does anybody remember or have pictures of a loaded horn PA from the 70's that were like fiberglass shells?  There were a couple of regional club bands that used them in the southern US.  Eli and Riverstreet were two bands that I remember that had them.  They were shaped kind of like North Drums.  I can't remember the name of them, but I can still see those big white dual 18 horn housings that latched on to the actual cabinet.  All of it had to be ratchet strapped together.
I think John Meyer made some cabinets that looked like what you describe.

There were a number of other small manufacturers making their own horns.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Tom Young on February 09, 2013, 07:44:16 am
Does anybody remember or have pictures of a loaded horn PA from the 70's that were like fiberglass shells?  There were a couple of regional club bands that used them in the southern US.  Eli and Riverstreet were two bands that I remember that had them.  They were shaped kind of like North Drums.  I can't remember the name of them, but I can still see those big white dual 18 horn housings that latched on to the actual cabinet.  All of it had to be ratchet strapped together.

I also think you're referring to Community Leviathans with mouth extensions. Except the Leviathan was dual 15".

On a side note, Roger North Drums (RND) began to manufacture HF horns in the 1980's which were used by Northwest Sound, among others.

FWIW
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 09, 2013, 08:20:37 am
I also think you're referring to Community Leviathans with mouth extensions. Except the Leviathan was dual 15".

On a side note, Roger North Drums (RND) began to manufacture HF horns in the 1980's which were used by Northwest Sound, among others.

FWIW
I remember some Northwest cabinets that had a pair of Gauss 15" in a straight horn-with a 2" Gauss HF on top and for the "sizzle" they had 6 piezo tweeters in a "line array" down the middle of the LF horn.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: duane massey on February 10, 2013, 12:47:25 am
We were Community fans in the 70's. Had 6-8 Levis, 4 w/extensions, 4 M4's w/ large format horns + extensions, and 6-8 matching 2
horns. All TAD loaded, sounded incredibly clear (for that time period). Worst part was grinding the edge of the TAD 1601's to fit into the pods. Later added some SB80's w/ TAD 1201's. Sold off most of the system several years later when we quit doing live shows, but I still have a pair of M4's w/ large horns in my warehouse.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Nick Simon on February 11, 2013, 12:45:34 pm
That was what I was looking for... not many pics available for them, but I did find a picture on Community's website in the history.  There's a pic of two of them in the middle of the page..

Thanks, guys..  I just remember having to help lug those behemoths into the club...
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Nick Simon on February 11, 2013, 12:51:10 pm
I remember some Northwest cabinets that had a pair of Gauss 15" in a straight horn-with a 2" Gauss HF on top and for the "sizzle" they had 6 piezo tweeters in a "line array" down the middle of the LF horn.

A band I worked with in my late teens had a pair of 15" Gauss "Scoops"....
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Lee Brenkman on February 12, 2013, 02:27:57 am
I think John Meyer made some cabinets that looked like what you describe.

There were a number of other small manufacturers making their own horns.

The Meyer Glyph horns weren't ever "toured" or used by bar bands.  They were installed in a venue in San Rafael, California called Pepperland.

They were pretty good sounding by the standards of the day and led to John's hiring by McCune Sound in San Francisco to design a one box system to replace their Altec Voice of the Theater "horn on top of cabinets" rigs.  The JM3 was revolutionary with it's three way all in one box configuration and dedicated processor and amp rack.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: TrevorMilburn on February 12, 2013, 06:32:30 am
Does anybody remember or have pictures of a loaded horn PA from the 70's that were like fiberglass shells?  There were a couple of regional club bands that used them in the southern US.  Eli and Riverstreet were two bands that I remember that had them.  They were shaped kind of like North Drums.  I can't remember the name of them, but I can still see those big white dual 18 horn housings that latched on to the actual cabinet.  All of it had to be ratchet strapped together.
I have a PDF spec sheet and an advert for the Leviathans. I have uploaded them to Sendspace so you can download them.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/33pcmq (http://www.sendspace.com/file/33pcmq)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5whcde (http://www.sendspace.com/file/5whcde)

Regards,
Trevor
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Richard Stevens on February 15, 2013, 11:41:16 am
The Leviathan was king as far as sheer size and no-compromise badassery, but my favorite Community cab in those days was the GGM (short for Googa Mooga).  With its molded-in oval-shaped port below the twin 15s, it was most often displayed with a large red cardboard tongue sticking out.

(http://images.craigslist.org/3K53I33J55N35E35J3d11ace01985448414a1.jpg)
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Nick Simon on February 15, 2013, 01:16:24 pm
The Leviathan was king as far as sheer size and no-compromise badassery, but my favorite Community cab in those days was the GGM (short for Googa Mooga).  With its molded-in oval-shaped port below the twin 15s, it was most often displayed with a large red cardboard tongue sticking out.

(http://images.craigslist.org/3K53I33J55N35E35J3d11ace01985448414a1.jpg)

"like!"
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: duane massey on February 16, 2013, 04:31:15 pm
We had 4 GGM's at one time, along with a dozen PBL's. Used the GGM's for bass guitar and side fills, PBL's for portable DJ's and drum monitors. Worst thing about the silly things was trying to balance a bass amp on top.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Nick Simon on February 18, 2013, 02:29:34 pm
We had 4 GGM's at one time, along with a dozen PBL's. Used the GGM's for bass guitar and side fills, PBL's for portable DJ's and drum monitors. Worst thing about the silly things was trying to balance a bass amp on top.

That's probably what led to their demise... you had to be ultra creative to stack those things
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on February 20, 2013, 10:13:18 am
Maybe
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Richard Stevens on February 20, 2013, 01:58:26 pm
WTF is THAT?!? 

Are those six drivers 15s or 12s?  Is there a 7th driver in the middle doing the low-mid duties?
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 20, 2013, 02:10:11 pm
WTF is THAT?!? 

Are those six drivers 15s or 12s?  Is there a 7th driver in the middle doing the low-mid duties?

I don't know for sure, but the bass horn appears to be a variation on Community's R series, so those are probably 12" woofers.  The mid driver is probably a Community M4.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on February 20, 2013, 02:15:30 pm
WTF is THAT?!? 

Are those six drivers 15s or 12s?  Is there a 7th driver in the middle doing the low-mid duties?

I really cant tell you what they are as I found the pictures on my companies drive.  I do know there were other Community R Series in the installation...R2's I would guess, and other M4 drivers on horns.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 20, 2013, 05:09:39 pm
I really cant tell you what they are as I found the pictures on my companies drive.  I do know there were other Community R Series in the installation...R2's I would guess, and other M4 drivers on horns.
I remember it as the new Levithan from Community. 
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: duane massey on February 20, 2013, 08:54:05 pm
Levithan II:
http://www.communitypro.com/files/literature/spec%20sheets/discontinued/r-Leviathan_II.pdf?phpMyAdmin=c9cc5b3953d87385dc22218d669e7aab
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 20, 2013, 09:42:02 pm
Levithan II:
http://www.communitypro.com/files/literature/spec%20sheets/discontinued/r-Leviathan_II.pdf?phpMyAdmin=c9cc5b3953d87385dc22218d669e7aab
I knew I was missing part of the part #  :(
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Art Welter on February 21, 2013, 11:28:53 am
Levithan II:
http://www.communitypro.com/files/literature/spec%20sheets/discontinued/r-Leviathan_II.pdf?phpMyAdmin=c9cc5b3953d87385dc22218d669e7aab
Spec sheet from 2004, by the looks of the cabinet I would have though it to be from the 1980's.
One huge heavy beast, the six 15" remind me of a Godzilla Motorola piezo horn.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Chris Hindle on February 21, 2013, 12:19:31 pm
Levithan II:
http://www.communitypro.com/files/literature/spec%20sheets/discontinued/r-Leviathan_II.pdf?phpMyAdmin=c9cc5b3953d87385dc22218d669e7aab
The drawings on the spec sheet really don't do it justice.
That picture is worth a thousand words.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Nick Simon on February 21, 2013, 12:45:12 pm
The drawings on the spec sheet really don't do it justice.
That picture is worth a thousand words.

Needs a man standing next to it for size reference, to see the actual gargantuan these are...
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Tim Weaver on February 21, 2013, 09:07:40 pm
Dang! And I thought the EV stadium horns were something! These guys are BEASTS!
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: duane massey on February 21, 2013, 10:04:43 pm
Never got to hear one, but I suspect they were impressive.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Barry Singleton on February 21, 2013, 10:34:09 pm
One of my friends has a pair in his backyard, no kidding.
Title: Re: loaded horn systems
Post by: Craig Leerman on April 15, 2013, 02:11:03 am
I remember some Northwest cabinets that had a pair of Gauss 15" in a straight horn-with a 2" Gauss HF on top and for the "sizzle" they had 6 piezo tweeters in a "line array" down the middle of the LF horn.

That was the NW2. When Maryland Sound got them, they took the piezos off.   Great sounding box, but a bit large and they didn't array very well.