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 on: Today at 01:35:04 pm 
Started by boburtz - Last post by boburtz
We just picked up a few more KF730s on the used market and the HF sounds (and measures) pretty bad. I took a couple of them apart and notice that there are no shims in the HF components. All of my existing inventory has shims. It's worth noting that the "new" boxes are actually newer than my existing boxes, so maybe there is a different design going on? I am thinking that somewhere along the life of these boxes someone changed the diaphragms and neglected to replace the shims. RCF has instructions on determining the necessary quantity of shims but it requires comparing the existing diaphragm measurement to the new diaphragm, then adjusting the quantity of shims accordingly. Since there are no existing shims to use as a baseline, how would I know how many shims (if any) to install? Anybody?

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 on: Today at 01:19:36 pm 
Started by Sam Roberts - Last post by Paul G. OBrien

to clarify, this is a house show space as in literally in the living room of my house where I live. so not a venue perse. Think of this application as if you wanted to see a band perform in your living room or perhaps getting a PA for a small venue or practice space is also comparable (amps turned up to drums and usually 1-3 vocals mic'd to be above the instruments, occasionally a horn mic'd and occasionally an electronics rig plugged in through the mixer) typically loud rock... does that give you a better idea of the room/application?

Yes it does thanks and it confirms my initial suspicions.. the speakers you borrowed and the ones you are contemplating buying are woefully inadequate. I'm going to agree with Lee in suggesting you return the amp and buy powered speakers as they will give you the best sound and most reliability given your lack of experience, but you will suffer some sticker shock I'm sure at specific models I'm going to suggest. The bare minimum here would be a pair of Yamaha DXR15's or similar, if you were just reinforcing vocals you could get away with 12's but throwing the electronic music performer in there ups the lowend output requirement significantly. Ideally this speaker system would include at least 1 sub and a pair of 12's with a 15" sub would sound and perform better than the 15's without so consider that too. You might think this is overkill but the reality is if you want equipment that will last indefinitely you need headroom, that is excess capacity that doesn't get used for the most part.

People get this with cars, they usually opt for the bigger engine and a bigger vehicle so they can carry more people/cargo on occasion with ease, but the same people are surprised that the speaker equivalent of an econobox sub compact car can't run at redline for hours on end towing a big trailer.

So yeah you need to spend $1500-$2500 to get a decent system and even then it's just adequate, you could spend double that on some JBL SRX series boxes and you would notice increased clarity particularly in the vocal range at higher volumes so it's not money wasted. But if you spend less than the $1500 the DXR15s cost I'm afraid you will be exploring the products warranty coverage quite soon and/or spending more good money on yet another set of speakers.


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 on: Today at 12:30:56 pm 
Started by Sam Roberts - Last post by Lee Douglas
Return the power amp and purchase a pair of good name brand powered speakers.  These should have features to help protect them.  Your amp is probably fine, but until you are willing to invest the knowledge and funds into getting the equipment to allow it to work properly and safely, powered speakers are as close to "no-brainer" you're going to get.  Add a mixer that covers you input needs and go to town.  Keep in mind that although most properly designed powered speakers are idiot resistant, none are idiot proof.  Deliberate abuse by you or your performers can still destroy them.  Now, for recommendations, a budget would be in order...

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 on: Today at 11:58:09 am 
Started by Sam Roberts - Last post by Sam Roberts
Hi thanks for your input!

to clarify, this is a house show space as in literally in the living room of my house where I live. so not a venue perse. Think of this application as if you wanted to see a band perform in your living room or perhaps getting a PA for a small venue or practice space is also comparable (amps turned up to drums and usually 1-3 vocals mic'd to be above the instruments, occasionally a horn mic'd and occasionally an electronics rig plugged in through the mixer) typically loud rock... does that give you a better idea of the room/application? sorry for any confusion in my op

the performer did not have total control over our PA but was plugged through our mixer which was at 3/4s volume and the power amp was at 1/3 on it's db knob....

"adding some zeroes to the budget" is absolutely not possible and I reckon not needed either.

so i have this power amp, is it possible to get two PA speakers and a mixer that will be compatible for my application? part of the reason I got the power amp is because we use one in my practice space for one of my bands and it's very clear sounding. if using a power amp for a two speaker basic PA set up is wildly inappropriate then I guess I will have to resell my recently acquired amp but would prefer to find components to match with it.

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 on: Today at 11:44:39 am 
Started by Andrew Broughton - Last post by Richsoper
If you bring in via Dante then yes providing your Dante devices and dLive are in the same IP range you can use the integration without running a seperate data line


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 on: Today at 11:36:58 am 
Started by Jonathan Goodall - Last post by Dave Pluke
Just checked and there are unlikely to be more dates this tour but she said she will be back.

Thanks for checking.  I'll look forward to her return, provide she doesn't, as Matthias suggested, get carried off by mosquitoes (otherwise known as the Minnesota State Bird) !

Dave

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 on: Today at 11:27:36 am 
Started by Billy Martyn - Last post by Nick Andrews
Obviously good gain structure first, but I find Sending the direct out channels PRE EQ also helps quite a bit , especially for vocals , the signal source comes through full range like this obviously. If they want to sculpt the tone they have eq capability per channel on the p16 for that. I send stems and bus mixes post fader / post eq I find that works well also.

Hope that helps!

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 on: Today at 11:25:05 am 
Started by Timo Beckman - Last post by Timo Beckman
Hi Mark

I purchased the old ASC48 a couple of years ago (2016 i think) and changed it at Frankfurt this year for testing purposes.
It's the same processor on the outside but inside it's different AFAIK.

I can check if the linear stuff will work after implementing a FIR as soon as i have time and the weekend is done ;-)
The automatic delay compensation in my opinion should be a user selectable feature which i would turn of if needed.

Instead of averaging a whole bunch of traces i want to check what happens if i only select problem points that are similar between multiple traces and see if i can adjust the ofax points without effecting the onax to much to get a better response al over.
This might take some time i'm afraid and loads of coffee ;-).

384 taps gets you pretty far in my opinion and the filter delay kind of determines how much latency you'll end up with.
In case of the screen capture i'm using a 2.08ms latency delay on the high's and a 4.16ms on the low driver which get's me a pretty good respons on the measurements side as well as on the "ears" bit.
I was not the only 1 tech that listened to the end result. Another tech i know heard the system and was "pleasantly surprised" by how the system under test sounded with the settings i came up with....

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 on: Today at 11:17:03 am 
Started by Sam Roberts - Last post by Paul G. OBrien
Hi there Sam.. that is a famous name you got there.  The short answer to your venue questions is.. you probably should have bought powered speakers.

The longer answer is a lot more involved. My gut feeling is I think you and your friends may have grossly underestimated the system requirements and budget necessary for this type of application, but to know if that is the case we need details on the size of the venue, crowd capacity, type of music, expected SPL(cocktail lounge/restaurant... road house/night club), and budget. I'll wait for your response but I think based on the results of your previous event that you will have to add some zeros to the budget to get a reliable and capable sound system in this venue.


the performer was an electronic/noise duo with a very wild set up that they plugged into the mixer.... so my question is;
A) am I to blame for horribly mismatching components and my amp destroyed these speakers?
Quite possibly yes.
B) is the performer possibly the blame for doing a crazy enough signal through his gear to blow them? (I know this is very vague but is that even remotely possible?)
If he had total control of the system he can share some blame, but a venue would have to be very naive to give visiting performers complete control of the house PA.
C) is it possible that the speakers were just old and neglected and were likely ready to go? (they definitely were old and possibly neglected, as my friend got them for free, though they had been reliable in the recent past)
Anything is possible but if they worked initially then it's more likely they simply were not suitable for your application and you pushed them beyond their limits.

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 on: Today at 11:11:27 am 
Started by Jack Stevens - Last post by Kevin Maxwell
Hi all,
        I have been looking on online to see if there was a way that UDK can be programmed to trigger the next cue/scene/snippet so that I can run a theatre show. It looks like you can't. If there is a way please get in touch. This would really help

Any suggestion would be helpful

Thank you

Jack Stevens

I am answering here instead of the Privet message that you sent me. You probably saw a post or 2 of mine regarding Musical Theater shows with the M32 and I probably mentioned that I use Palladium by https://www.chsounddesign.com/ . I found that it is so much more powerful than the built-in scene/cue/snippets for doing theatrical shows. I am willing to help you with that if you want.

But to answer your question you can’t use a UDK (that I can find) to trigger a go directly on the console. But you can use the “NOW” button (in the SHOW CONTROL section of buttons) on the surface, if in “SETUP” you check the “Scene Go Next”. It seems to behave a little bit funny but if you play with it you will see how it works. You also on that same page under Show Control set Cues or Scenes or Snippets as to what will be controlled. 

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