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http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=115&cp_id=11505&cs_id=1150501&p_id=604926&seq=1&format=2
(http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=115&cp_id=11505&cs_id=1150501&p_id=604926&seq=1&format=2)
I expected in-expensive self powered plastic boxes from them, maybe even a combo sub and speaker on a stick for a DJ. This seems like a big product jump for them, which makes me think they supply more AV installers than it appears on the surface.
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From their website
A properly deployed system is comprised of 652 tops and a 12 sub configured in a ratio of 4 to 1. This is optimal for most music presentation and House of Worship applications. Additional bass for high energy rock shows and electronic music can be achieved with more subwoofers ground stacked.
652 tops seems a bit overkill :o and with their 4-1 sub ratio you need 163 subs, but of course additional bass for "high energy" shows and electronic music can be achieved with more ground stacked subs!
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From their website
652 tops seems a bit overkill :o and with their 4-1 sub ratio you need 163 subs, but of course additional bass for "high energy" shows and electronic music can be achieved with more ground stacked subs!
Although that statement by them is poorly worded, the model name / number of the top box is a MiniRay 652 and the sub is a MiniRay 12.
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Although that statement by them is poorly worded, the model name / number of the top box is a MiniRay 652 and the sub is a MiniRay 12.
I guess my humor fell flat
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I guess my humor fell flat
Pretty "sharp" here Craig...
Chris.
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I guess my humor fell flat
My bad, I was tired and just reading, I get it now.
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From the website:
Small to medium size venues will benefit from is small footprint...
In other words, "because everybody wants a line array."
Line arrays are probably NOT the best solution for "small to medium size venues." My understanding is that line arrays are intended for venues where you are trying to balance SPL (coverage) between those seats near the stage and those hundreds of feet away. In other words, huge venues like stadiums, amphitheaters, and arenas.
Put a line array in your typical bar and you'll be bouncing most of your sound off the back wall. Yeah, that'll sound good. ::)
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I worked out the numbers some 10 years ago but there's actually a mid sized venue region where the improved HF output of the straight section of a small line makes up for air loss at the back of a coverage area. Lows couple and behave like a single source. Only as Ivan would be quick to point out, the mids still blur from non-coupled multiple sources.
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From the website:
In other words, "because everybody wants a line array."
Line arrays are probably NOT the best solution for "small to medium size venues." My understanding is that line arrays are intended for venues where you are trying to balance SPL (coverage) between those seats near the stage and those hundreds of feet away. In other words, huge venues like stadiums, amphitheaters, and arenas.
Put a line array in your typical bar and you'll be bouncing most of your sound off the back wall. Yeah, that'll sound good. ::)
yep
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I worked out the numbers some 10 years ago but there's actually a mid sized venue region where the improved HF output of the straight section of a small line makes up for air loss at the back of a coverage area. Lows couple and behave like a single source. Only as Ivan would be quick to point out, the mids still blur from non-coupled multiple sources.
But as soon as the wind blows a little bit it all starts to fall apart.
It is one thing to "assume" that the devices all couple together.
Often REALITY is that they don't behave that way.
Each cabinet is radiating its own wavefront and they interfere with each other. So the "addition" is not as much as some "simple math" would suggest.
In order for the HFs to "behave" they MUST be designed to work together to provide a SINGLE wavefront, NOT individual sources. This means that each one in the "array" must be different. But the top and bottom halves of the array can be a mirror image of each other.
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From the website:
In other words, "because everybody wants a line array."
Line arrays are probably NOT the best solution for "small to medium size venues." My understanding is that line arrays are intended for venues where you are trying to balance SPL (coverage) between those seats near the stage and those hundreds of feet away. In other words, huge venues like stadiums, amphitheaters, and arenas.
Put a line array in your typical bar and you'll be bouncing most of your sound off the back wall. Yeah, that'll sound good. ::)
I have installed more than one system where the designer has specified small line arrays (Community Entasys plus subwoofers) where the room wasn't that long, but they wanted the wide coverage pattern of linear array.
The array speakers were "J-curved" and angled down 10 degrees to minimize back wall reflections. Not my first choice, and the Community rep didn't like the idea, but hey I'm just the installer.
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I have installed more than one system where the designer has specified small line arrays (Community Entasys plus subwoofers) where the room wasn't that long, but they wanted the wide coverage pattern of linear array.
The array speakers were "J-curved" and angled down 10 degrees to minimize back wall reflections. Not my first choice, and the Community rep didn't like the idea, but hey I'm just the installer.
If someone knows and understands exactly what they're doing, I suppose a line array could be successfully deployed in a small venue. Is it the ideal solution for the venue? Well, that's a matter of debate. As Ivan would say, "it depends."
But I'm leaning toward an overgeneralization that nearly all line array (or pseudo line array) deployments in small to medium venues are NOT the ideal solution for those venues.
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If someone knows and understands exactly what they're doing, I suppose a line array could be successfully deployed in a small venue. Is it the ideal solution for the venue? Well, that's a matter of debate. As Ivan would say, "it depends."
But I'm leaning toward an overgeneralization that nearly all line array (or pseudo line array) deployments in small to medium venues are NOT the ideal solution for those venues.
There are times when a line array is the right answer because of other considerations presented by the venue or client. I have a couple of them where, in theory, Mackie SRM450 would work but the cost of flying a dozen in a ballroom is greater than the cost of providing and deploying a compact line array system and appropriate fills.
I can put a presenter with a lav mic downstage of the array - almost anywhere in the audience area - with success, and that type of success is what I sell to clients. They don't care what speaker system I use so long as I meet budget and make it as invisible as possible.
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I can put a presenter with a lav mic downstage of the array - almost anywhere in the audience area - with success, and that type of success is what I sell to clients. They don't care what speaker system I use so long as I meet budget and make it as invisible as possible.
Cool stuff.
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I have installed more than one system where the designer has specified small line arrays (Community Entasys plus subwoofers) where the room wasn't that long, but they wanted the wide coverage pattern of linear array.
The array speakers were "J-curved" and angled down 10 degrees to minimize back wall reflections. Not my first choice, and the Community rep didn't like the idea, but hey I'm just the installer.
We have several presentation/meeting rooms (~50-75 seat) where I work where instead of ceiling speakers there are 2-3 Melodies hung from the ceiling on each side of the front. You can hear them talking and someone must have thought that they were putting in "the good stuff".
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We have several presentation/meeting rooms (~50-75 seat) where I work where instead of ceiling speakers there are 2-3 Melodies hung from the ceiling on each side of the front. You can hear them talking and someone must have thought that they were putting in "the good stuff".
Pretty expensive conference room system!
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Pretty expensive conference room system!
Some of the smaller rooms have Genelec nearfields hooked to the TVs for video conferencing. The cafeteria they use for large meetings has a couple of JM-1P arrays and a couple dual 18s in endfire. They just replaced the M7 with a QL too. They play music though it at lunchtime. ;D
Tech company with money. And someone somewhere who knows better than to get audio from the music store.