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Posted today on the Yamaha Pro Audio site:
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/news_events/newsrelease/2012/50_20121114_nuage.jsp
Could be a peek into what Yamaha might have in store as a PM1D/5D replacement?
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Posted today on the Yamaha Pro Audio site:
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/news_events/newsrelease/2012/50_20121114_nuage.jsp
Could be a peek into what Yamaha might have in store as a PM1D/5D replacement?
I had the same thought. I sure would like to see them make some Dante I/O that is all inputs or all outputs. Dante versions of updated AI8, AO8, and DIO8 I/O frames would be swell.
Mac
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Could be a peek into what Yamaha might have in store as a PM1D/5D replacement?
Wouldn't the CL series be considered those replacements?
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Wouldn't the CL series be considered those replacements?
None of the CL series consoles can replicate all the functionality of a PM5D, let alone a 1D.
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Wouldn't the CL series be considered those replacements?
The answer from Yamaha is "no". The CL are the beginning of a new line and are only the first units to market in that new line. Ostensibly, the 1D/5D replacements are yet to come.
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I had the same thought. I sure would like to see them make some Dante I/O that is all inputs or all outputs. Dante versions of updated AI8, AO8, and DIO8 I/O frames would be swell.
The NUAGE IO might do this:
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/daw_systems/nuage/nuage_io/
Not sure how these would work with out the rest of the system.
Philip
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The NUAGE IO might do this:
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/daw_systems/nuage/nuage_io/
Not sure how these would work with out the rest of the system.
Philip
I looked at those, they are all inputs and outputs in the same box. A Dante card frame that could take either input or output cards in any combination in blocks of 4 or 8 channels so you could have say 24x24, or 40x8, or 8x40 would be great. Even smaller 24 or 32 channel versions would be great, you could build your system out of modular block to whatever I/O you need.
Mac
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After reading up more on this, it's pretty apparent where Yamaha is going: networking and modularity. I can see some design elements shared with the CL series.
I think looking at this, and then looking at the CL series, I can see something like a Yamaha version of Meyer's LCS/D-Mitri Cue Station and Cue Console.
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I have used Cubase for many years now and was always curious about it's hooks into Yamaha consoles since the day they bought Steinberg. Cubase is in some ways a better product than ProTools, and in some eays not. Regardless, combining the two products makes for an incredibly powerfull platform. So as a first thought based on the logical progression of digital designs and the marriage of the companies, this desk appears to be Yamaha's top dog in a battle with Avid. I'm not so sure though that this would be what I might want for a stadium concert, however, I'll bet Mac see's one before any of us and will be mighty pleased with it's capabilities.
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I have used Cubase for many years now and was always curious about it's hooks into Yamaha consoles since the day they bought Steinberg. Cubase is in some ways a better product than ProTools, and in some eays not. Regardless, combining the two products makes for an incredibly powerfull platform. So as a first thought based on the logical progression of digital designs and the marriage of the companies, this desk appears to be Yamaha's top dog in a battle with Avid. I'm not so sure though that this would be what I might want for a stadium concert, however, I'll bet Mac see's one before any of us and will be mighty pleased with it's capabilities.
At least when the concepts develop into a PA or recording console. Nuage is a control interface for Nuendo that gives you real hardware the way the Avid C-24 does for ProTools. Neither are ideal for live mixing, but for post production in the DAW environment real handles are, well, handy.
The modular, network connected, hardware seems to be the way of the future from Yamaha. I hope they come out with hardware that makes it easier to spec distributed I/O in permanent installs, and in large scale special projects.
Mac
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Definitely a shot across Avid's bow in the studio market, where Nuendo is seen as an alternative to Pro Tools. Avid has developed studio and live versions of their consoles; from a very casual glance this is aimed at studios and post pro environments.
As for their system name: Nuage Advanced Production System - I'm sure the Japanese Yamaha reps didn't notice that the acronym will be NAPS...
Wish them luck as it should spur better products for all across brands.
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The modular, network connected, hardware seems to be the way of the future from Yamaha. I hope they come out with hardware that makes it easier to spec distributed I/O in permanent installs, and in large scale special projects.
Mac
Yepper, and that was what I alluded to a couple of years ago while we were wondering what Yammy would do after it "EOL'd" the PM1D.
Bound by an NDA, all I can say is that we'll probably not see a product that looks anything like the renderings I was shown... but the underlying concepts are starting to be used.
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The modular, network connected, hardware seems to be the way of the future from Yamaha. I hope they come out with hardware that makes it easier to spec distributed I/O in permanent installs, and in large scale special projects.
+1,
A RIO box with some where between 3 and 6 MY card slots would be really nice. It wouldn't have to be MY cards but I'm not sure that there is "enough" market for Yamaha to have two card slots systems active.
I just hope the the price end's up reasonable.
Philip
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In terms of control surfaces, Stephen Slate's new Raven is, on paper and demo, pretty amazing. Designed for the studio. Very few physical buttons, mostly a huge, multi-touch surface. Dust and beer proof.
Years in the future I can see this kind of virtual console being customizable by end users for live use, just design your own UI, or the vendor provides several.
Jump to around 2:00 in this video to get a feel for the surface. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHiXqcyu2M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHiXqcyu2M)
To get a good sense of what a multi-touch interface might feel like, you can download Mackie's Master Fader app for the iPad for free and run it without a DL1608. It's pretty cool on a small iPad, then imagine what you could do on two 30" screens.
I wish Yamaha would come out with a mid-tier system that could use the many thousands of dollars of VST plug-ins I have accumulated over the years.
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After reading up more on this, it's pretty apparent where Yamaha is going: networking and modularity. I can see some design elements shared with the CL series.
I think looking at this, and then looking at the CL series, I can see something like a Yamaha version of Meyer's LCS/D-Mitri Cue Station and Cue Console.
I think Yamaha have done really well in the "networking and modularity" department. When on the PM1D I find myself reminding myself how old the thing is. The interconnections sure are old-fashioned and impractical, but when it's all set up an you're on the surface it still "feels" modern - and it sounds nice.
I'm absolutely certain that there will be more RIOs in the future, and feel absolutely sure the existing RIOs will work with future Yamaha releases: Why else would they give the RIOs 96kHz sample rate capabilities while the CL desks are 48kHz?
I looked at those, they are all inputs and outputs in the same box. A Dante card frame that could take either input or output cards in any combination in blocks of 4 or 8 channels so you could have say 24x24, or 40x8, or 8x40 would be great. Even smaller 24 or 32 channel versions would be great, you could build your system out of modular block to whatever I/O you need.
Mac
Agreed, modular I/O configurations, down to let's say 4 or 8 channels, would be really nice.
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None of the CL series consoles can replicate all the functionality of a PM5D, let alone a 1D.
What can a 5D do that a CL5 can't?
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What can a 5D do that a CL5 can't?
Give you access to all 24 mix sends on a channel with a level indicator at the same time. A feature no other current console can do either.
Use those 24 encoders to easily set matrix mixes, or use the 8 matrix encoders in that section to easily set matrix mixes another way.
That is the feature that keeps the PM5D at the top of my request list.
Mac
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What can a 5D do that a CL5 can't?
Assign output channels to DCA groups (hopefully that will be included in a software update), and it's much easier to assign channels to DCA and MUTE groups on the 5D than on the CL.
set fade times individually per channel on a per scene basis, with wait and post wait times associated per channels
and yes, the ability to just look at the console surface and get information like: EQ, dynamics, DCA and MUTE assigns, head amp gain, channel routing (press and hold the CH select button is awesome) without having to go to the screen
And there the ability to link Library settings to scene recalls (hopefully this will be a software update also)
Don't get me wrong, there's lots to like about the CL series, and I'm hopeful that the things that you can do on the 5D that you can't on the CL will make it into the next set of consoles in the CL line, with all the cool things in the CL line.