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Title: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: Thomas Le on April 30, 2014, 09:48:34 PM
First was the Mackie VLZ-1642 http://www.mackie.com/products/1642vlz3/index.html (http://www.mackie.com/products/1642vlz3/index.html)

Then came the Behringer XENYX QX2442USB http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/QX2442USB.aspx (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/QX2442USB.aspx)

Now comes the Galaxy Audio AXS-18RM http://www.galaxyaudio.com/AXS18RM.php (http://www.galaxyaudio.com/AXS18RM.php)

Well gee, they don't have to make it that obvious right? ::)
Title: Re: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: Jamin Lynch on April 30, 2014, 09:53:24 PM
First was the Mackie VLZ-1642 http://www.mackie.com/products/1642vlz3/index.html (http://www.mackie.com/products/1642vlz3/index.html)

Then came the Behringer XENYX QX2442USB http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/QX2442USB.aspx (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/QX2442USB.aspx)

Now comes the Galaxy Audio AXS-18RM http://www.galaxyaudio.com/AXS18RM.php (http://www.galaxyaudio.com/AXS18RM.php)

Well gee, they don't have to make it that obvious right? ::)

Same old crap, just a different look.
Title: Re: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: David Parker on April 30, 2014, 09:54:45 PM
back when mackie sued behringer (and lost) for copying their mixers, the rumor was that the chinese cloned some circuit boards so closely the chinese clones said mackie on them.
Title: Re: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on April 30, 2014, 10:02:09 PM
back when mackie sued behringer (and lost) for copying their mixers, the rumor was that the chinese cloned some circuit boards so closely the chinese clones said mackie on them.

I have heard this rumor only the product was compressors and the company was Drawmer.
Title: Re: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: Russ Davis on April 30, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
back when mackie sued behringer (and lost) for copying their mixers...
They didn't totally lose - they did succeed in having the big MX8000 Mackie 8-Bus clone outlawed (only to reappear with a meter bridge as the MX9000).  I had experiences guesting on both in the '90s... loved the LEDs with a mind of their own (every one not already on would flash with the kick), and the channels with the random functionality feature.
Title: Re: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: Alec Spence on May 01, 2014, 05:27:27 AM
Well, the Galaxy Audio & Behringer look very similar, but as for the Mackie...

* The Behringer has a whole digital FX section, the Mackie doesn't.
* The Behinger has a USB interface, the Mackie doesn't.
* The Mackie has the Aux section above EQ in the channel strip, the Behringer has it the other (conventional) way round.
* The Behringer has channel comps, the Mackie doesn't.
* The Mackie has a -20db activity LED, the Behringer doesn't.
* The Mackie most bizarrely uses the peak LED to indicate Mute as well - that would really bug me!
* The Behringer allows solo of all 4 Aux sends, the Mackie allows if for only Aux 1 & 2
* The Mackie has a level control for the Tape-in, the Behringer doesn't.

So, other than the fact that they're both budget 16:4:2 compact mixers with 8 mic pres, and have a pretty de-facto layaout for that genre, they're pretty comprehensive set of differentiating features there (and I'm sure there are quite a few more if you dig a little deeper)
Title: Re: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on May 01, 2014, 08:56:46 AM
There are more than 3 16x4x2 mixers that will share similar feature sets and general configuration. There are other, better examples of a lack of originality. Customers in the market for a 16x4x2 will have certain expectations for where the controls end up, so I wouldn't expect much variance. 

JR
Title: Re: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: Alec Spence on May 01, 2014, 11:26:17 AM
There are more than 3 16x4x2 mixers that will share similar feature sets and general configuration. There are other, better examples of a lack of originality. Customers in the market for a 16x4x2 will have certain expectations for where the controls end up, so I wouldn't expect much variance.

Completely, and I still maintain that Mackie are fairly bold in putting auxes above EQ - that'd fox me every time - which is a move I'd hope others wouldn't copy.

And that's before that shared mute/peak light - words fail me!
Title: Re: Rebadged Mixers
Post by: David Parker on May 01, 2014, 12:12:31 PM
Completely, and I still maintain that Mackie are fairly bold in putting auxes above EQ - that'd fox me every time - which is a move I'd hope others wouldn't copy.

And that's before that shared mute/peak light - words fail me!
the first mackie 1604 had inserts that were post fader. That was a lot of fun! Plus if you muted a channel it re-routed it to busses 3+4. My favorite mixer of all time was my midas venice, but it had horrible colors. My least fave mixer of all time was the A&H GL2200. The aux/eq knobs didn't line up with the faders. it was real easy to get to tweaking on the wrong channel.