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Title: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 18, 2014, 01:12:04 AM
Any known issues with the new firmware?  I'd really like access to the new transient designer FX but have a couple important shows coming up.  If you haven;t tried the new firmware, does A&H generally do a good job testing new releases?  I am also hoping v1.4 will improve the iPad UI sluggishness I am expereincing.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Rob Spence on March 18, 2014, 01:21:44 AM
Any known issues with the new firmware?  I'd really like access to the new transient designer FX but have a couple important shows coming up.  If you haven;t tried the new firmware, does A&H generally do a good job testing new releases?  I am also hoping v1.4 will improve the iPad UI sluggishness I am expereincing.
I updated a week ago. Update was quick and problem free. I also updated the editor on PC and Mac. The iPad update (after the quick patch) was also fine.

I had the desk out on a gig yesterday and it was fine.

I was hoping for something with a side chain input. I guess I will have to buy a compressor and patch it in.

The iPad app is still pretty much not usable for much due to the sluggish response and unreliable channel selection or mix selection. Dragging EQ points and even simple fader moves are difficult to do with precision.
Come on A&H, if Yamaha can make it work well, you can too!


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Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Jeff Carter on March 18, 2014, 01:54:05 AM
Any known issues with the new firmware?  I'd really like access to the new transient designer FX but have a couple important shows coming up.  If you haven;t tried the new firmware, does A&H generally do a good job testing new releases?  I am also hoping v1.4 will improve the iPad UI sluggishness I am expereincing.

I installed it last week at my church; I wasn't mixing FOH this weekend but also didn't hear about any issues with the console. I'd have ideally left it another week or two but iOS7 updates Remote and OneMix to the latest versions as soon as they're released, so we needed to update the console to match.

I expect if there was anything major we'd have seen it come up on the GLD forum by now. Looking at the release notes of "maintenance" releases of the firmware gives you some idea of the sort of bugs that can slip through the cracks in a major update (the most serious ones tend to be console crashes caused by obscure combinations of parameters and user inputs). That said, each major upgrade they seem to be getting better at finding all the bugs before release--I don't believe there were actually any maintenance releases in v1.3 for example.

I don't mix on iPad, but the one FOH guy in my church who does noticed a big improvement going from v1.2 to v1.3 (he has a 4th-gen iPad I think). I didn't ask him if v1.4 was any faster since v1.3 already worked quite smoothly for him.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 19, 2014, 04:01:45 PM
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The iPad app is still pretty much not usable for much due to the sluggish response and unreliable channel selection or mix selection. Dragging EQ points and even simple fader moves are difficult to do with precision.
Come on A&H, if Yamaha can make it work well, you can too!
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I'm glad to hear you have the same issues as me.  I have an X32, iPad app works great. I've mixed on a DL1608, iPad app works great.  I used Stereoscope (touchOSC- based) for my 01V96, worked fine.  The GLD remote app is so sluggish it is almost not usable.  (Edit: part of my complaint was actually due to operator error, and RTFM, read on for the mea culpa)


I was hoping to have my A2 run monitors from an iPad on stage for a festival next week.  Looks like we''ll be using comms instead.


Sorry to hear 1.4 isn't better.


The only thing I can think of is A&H is maybe using or built some sw GUI abstraction layer (perhaps with an intent to deliver a windows tablet or android version in the future).   Whatever they are doing, it simply is not working.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark Oakley on March 19, 2014, 10:33:39 PM
How does the GLD PC editor program work? I've just ordered an iLive (T112/IDR48) and rather than pay $100.00 for the I-Pad app, I just might remote control my show laptop with VNC. I'm using it now with Sounddiver to control my Roland VM-C7200, and it works great: fast with no sign of sluggishness. When the iLive arrives, I'll probably use it to control iLive Editor.

-Mark
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 19, 2014, 11:52:49 PM
How does the GLD PC editor program work? I've just ordered an iLive (T112/IDR48) and rather than pay $100.00 for the I-Pad app, I just might remote control my show laptop with VNC. I'm using it now with Sounddiver to control my Roland VM-C7200, and it works great: fast with no sign of sluggishness. When the iLive arrives, I'll probably use it to control iLive Editor.

-Mark

No problems with GLD Editor on OSX, it is just like being on the surface,but no multi-touch.

I have no experience with iLive Remote on iPad, it may be different.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Rob Spence on March 20, 2014, 01:17:05 AM
How does the GLD PC editor program work? I've just ordered an iLive (T112/IDR48) and rather than pay $100.00 for the I-Pad app, I just might remote control my show laptop with VNC. I'm using it now with Sounddiver to control my Roland VM-C7200, and it works great: fast with no sign of sluggishness. When the iLive arrives, I'll probably use it to control iLive Editor.

-Mark

The iPad app is free for the GLD. You are thinking of the iLive.


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Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Jeff Carter on March 20, 2014, 10:52:28 AM
How does the GLD PC editor program work? I've just ordered an iLive (T112/IDR48) and rather than pay $100.00 for the I-Pad app, I just might remote control my show laptop with VNC. I'm using it now with Sounddiver to control my Roland VM-C7200, and it works great: fast with no sign of sluggishness. When the iLive arrives, I'll probably use it to control iLive Editor.

-Mark

The GLD and iLive editors have very different user interfaces. The GLD editor is laid out basically the same as the surface (all the same knobs and buttons in the same places), while the iLive editor doesn't have the same "console" feel (I've never laid hands on an iLive so I have no idea if the editor is consistent with the on-screen display or not).

That said, I've never had any problems or lag with the Editor, which I tend to use pretty heavily during rehearsals since FOH position where I mix is not totally representative of the room.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 20, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
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That said, I've never had any problems or lag with the Editor, which I tend to use pretty heavily during rehearsals since FOH position where I mix is not totally representative of the room.


Jeff, are you saying you don't have lag for the iLive or GLD iPad app?
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: BobWitte on March 20, 2014, 01:50:19 PM
We use the GLD iPad app with no problems as far as the app goes. When I am outdoors and walk behind the stage (150 feet then behind all metal/trailer), I can lose a connection now and then. But the app is responsive. Mix monitors all the time with it during soundcheck. This has been true for V1.3 too. No noticeable lag.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Jeff Carter on March 20, 2014, 02:37:55 PM

Jeff, are you saying you don't have lag for the iLive or GLD iPad app?

Hi, Mark.

No, we don't have lag for the GLD editor or iPad app. At least not enough to give us any trouble.

My hands-on experience is with the Editor (PC). I use it during sound check to make sure everything's reasonably balanced in the room (FOH position's not representative) and then use it as a meter screen during the service. The meters don't move quite as smoothly as they would on the console screen but they're still quite usable.

On the iPad side of things I have to take the word of one of our other FOH techs who uses his iPad quite extensively. He had some complaints about lag in the earlier versions of the firmware (particularly dragging things on the PEQ screen) but found v1.3 to be much better. When he was showing off the "new improved" speed in v1.3 to me it looked pretty fast.

We don't have an iLive; before we bought the GLD I puddled around the iLive editor software a bit to see what the (promised, but yet to appear at that time) off-line editor for GLD might be like. Of course, when the GLD Editor was launched the UI was completely different...
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Tim Tyler on March 20, 2014, 03:17:04 PM
How does the GLD PC editor program work? I've just ordered an iLive (T112/IDR48) and rather than pay $100.00 for the I-Pad app, I just might remote control my show laptop with VNC. I'm using it now with Sounddiver to control my Roland VM-C7200, and it works great: fast with no sign of sluggishness. When the iLive arrives, I'll probably use it to control iLive Editor.

-Mark

Mark -

I would suggest you pony up the $99.99 for the Mixpad app, it will be money quite well spent.  I've been mixing pretty much exclusively on the iPad for the last three years (T112, R72), rarely (never) put the surface anywhere but sidestage.  The app is multitouch, the editor is single process.  A laptop and iPad at mix position allows access to all functions, should you choose to "hide" the surface.  $100 compared to what you must have spent on your system is negligible, not having an iPad app is significant.

Cheers,

-Tim T
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 20, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
We use the GLD iPad app with no problems as far as the app goes. When I am outdoors and walk behind the stage (150 feet then behind all metal/trailer), I can lose a connection now and then. But the app is responsive. Mix monitors all the time with it during soundcheck. This has been true for V1.3 too. No noticeable lag.


Bob, which iPad hardware are you using? Mine's a gen 3 (right before they went with the lightning connector). 


I particulalry have a very difficult time selecting mixes, which is my primary use, to select an aux mix to setup mon mixes pre-show from stage.  Sometimes I have thought it was because my hands get so dry during shows (after setup my hands are whacked) but when I try other iPad apps my hands work fine and even just now I had the same problem.  Sometimes I have to press the tiny little mix button 10 or more times to get it selected.



Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on March 20, 2014, 04:46:13 PM

Bob, which iPad hardware are you using? Mine's a gen 3 (right before they went with the lightning connector). 


I particulalry have a very difficult time selecting mixes, which is my primary use, to select an aux mix to setup mon mixes pre-show from stage.  Sometimes I have thought it was because my hands get so dry during shows (after setup my hands are whacked) but when I try other iPad apps my hands work fine and even just now I had the same problem.  Sometimes I have to press the tiny little mix button 10 or more times to get it selected.

Mark...

I had a similar problem.  Calouses could be too thick or simply a pressure issue. 

Try a stylus and see if that helps.  My iPad case has a little elastic loop to hold one and it is handy.  You could also use a bit of nylon string to tether a stylus to the pad or the case.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 20, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
Mark...

I had a similar problem.  Calouses could be too thick or simply a pressure issue. 

Try a stylus and see if that helps.  My iPad case has a little elastic loop to hold one and it is handy.  You could also use a bit of nylon string to tether a stylus to the pad or the case.

Thanks Dick, I just threw a stylus in my FOH case. 

To self incriminate, I just read the in-app help about selecting mixes and you don't actually have to press the mix button, just double click anywhere in the fader section. That seems to help a lot (sad, sad me).

I am still having some problems getting faders to 'grab' both with my fingers and my stylus. Maybe I need to invest in a better stylus and carry some lotion.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on March 20, 2014, 05:04:29 PM
Thanks Dick, I just threw a stylus in my FOH case. 

To self incriminate, I just read the in-app help about selecting mixes and you don't actually have to press the mix button, just double click anywhere in the fader section. That seems to help a lot (sad, sad me).

I am still having some problems getting faders to 'grab' both with my fingers and my stylus. Maybe I need to invest in a better stylus and carry some lotion.

Mark...

You can also try a lighter touch, but wait for it to take effect.  I think I was pressing harder in the beginning and it was counter-productive.  But I'm only using the Qu-pad app for the 16 channel desk.

With mine, if I just give it a beat to register, then make the desired adjustment it seems to work better.  I think this is just a case of the user adjusting to the touch and the reaction time of the app to feel comfortable and not try to "push the river".

Good luck 
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 20, 2014, 05:07:03 PM
Mark...

You can also try a lighter touch, but wait for it to take effect.  I think I was pressing harder in the beginning and it was counter-productive.  But I'm only using the Qu-pad app for the 16 channel desk.

With mine, if I just give it a beat to register, then make the desired adjustment it seems to work better.  I think this is just a case of the user adjusting to the touch and the reaction time of the app to feel comfortable and not try to "push the river".

Good luck 

That also seems to help, thanks Dick. Patience is sometimes a challenge for me :)
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Scott Cameron on March 20, 2014, 05:41:01 PM
I've run both the GLD and Qu editor a fair bit in all sorts of different environments and have never had a problem, the only time I've experienced sluggish response from the app is when I'm right on the edge of wifi range.

There's a few tricks(?) that make it a lot easier, such as the double tap for mix select and dragging your finger to the side to get more precise fader movement etc.

The only improvement I want in the app is to be able to control FX parameters, fingers crossed it will come soon.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Rob Spence on March 21, 2014, 10:07:04 PM

Bob, which iPad hardware are you using? Mine's a gen 3 (right before they went with the lightning connector). 


I particulalry have a very difficult time selecting mixes, which is my primary use, to select an aux mix to setup mon mixes pre-show from stage.  Sometimes I have thought it was because my hands get so dry during shows (after setup my hands are whacked) but when I try other iPad apps my hands work fine and even just now I had the same problem.  Sometimes I have to press the tiny little mix button 10 or more times to get it selected.
+1
I am using a gen 4 iPad. Retina display model.

I am told that to select a mix button, you double tap it. Sometimes it works. Terrible design. They should make a big button you can single tap.

It takes about a half second for selecting a channel with a single tap. You need to wait to see if it selects, them try again. Not ok when you need to select it.

Horizontal scroll... You need to wait for a second before the channel seems to respond.

I have no confidence that if I need to move a fader, it is going to move the amount I want.

The Yamaha Stage Mix app has none of these finicky issues.

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Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 22, 2014, 05:08:45 AM
+1
I am using a gen 4 iPad. Retina display model.

I am told that to select a mix button, you double tap it. Sometimes it works. Terrible design. They should make a big button you can single tap.

It takes about a half second for selecting a channel with a single tap. You need to wait to see if it selects, them try again. Not ok when you need to select it.

Horizontal scroll... You need to wait for a second before the channel seems to respond.

I have no confidence that if I need to move a fader, it is going to move the amount I want.

The Yamaha Stage Mix app has none of these finicky issues.

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I have an identical experience on my 3rd gen iPad.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: BobWitte on March 24, 2014, 05:14:52 PM

Bob, which iPad hardware are you using? Mine's a gen 3 (right before they went with the lightning connector). 




Gen 4 - first one that lightning hit! I believe everything else is pretty much the same. I must have iPad ready fingers (good pads for the iPad). I did have to practice a bit - that double click thing.
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Rob Spence on March 25, 2014, 12:47:50 AM
I have an identical experience on my 3rd gen iPad.

Darn, I was going to borrow a gen 3 for this week.

I hope A&H is listening.


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Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 25, 2014, 01:51:31 PM

Gen 4 - first one that lightning hit! I believe everything else is pretty much the same. I must have iPad ready fingers (good pads for the iPad). I did have to practice a bit - that double click thing.


Bob, when you horizontal scroll channels how long does it take before all the settings register?
Title: Re: Anyone try the new GLD v1.4 firmware?
Post by: Rob Spence on March 25, 2014, 10:09:21 PM

Bob, when you horizontal scroll channels how long does it take before all the settings register?

I dunno, half a second maybe?


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Title: GLD iPad responsiveness
Post by: Mark McFarlane on March 26, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
I upgraded to 1.4 and played around with the iPad GLD Remote app after work to get a better feel for what annoyed me.


When you first open GLD Remote it only syncs the first 8 channels.  Swiping to reveal the next 8 channels, it takes 1-4 seconds to update that channel bank.  However, once you have visited a channel in the iPad app and leave it, and then move a surface fader. mute it, or change pan, then come back on the iPad app the fader position/mute/pan has already been updated


It looks like the SW doesn't load a channel until you view it, once you view it it appears to stay in sync quickly.


Workaround: Swipe past all your input channels when you first open the app.


I still can't get channel selection to work reliably. It takes about 1 second to recognize the selection of a new channel (whether in processing or routing mode) , and often it doesn't recognize that you have selected a new channel. In demo mode the responsiveness is reasonable but connected mode it slows down.


X32 Mix by comparison feels very responsive.  Same fingers, same skin condition.


So, I'm still annoyed by GLM Remote's responsiveness, but I can at least get by with the frustration of sometimes have to try 5 times to select a channel.