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Title: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on August 17, 2014, 05:47:01 PM
Does this have something to do with when they were made?  Or is there a different reason some have it and some don't?
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Greg Hershey on August 17, 2014, 06:06:42 PM
Does this have something to do with when they were made?  Or is there a different reason some have it and some don't?

They all came with them. Some of us just took them off.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Brian Jojade on August 17, 2014, 07:57:29 PM
They're removable.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on August 17, 2014, 08:05:57 PM
It's interesting that if you google images, you find many like the one I pictured where some have them and some don't within the same rig.  My "new" 722's do not have them.  Anyone have a pair laying around they'd care to donate?
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Samuel Rees on August 17, 2014, 08:54:03 PM
That's funny - I've never known someone to seek the badge. It reminds people of eons and JRX. Usually people want it off! It's tacky IMHO.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on August 17, 2014, 09:08:37 PM
That's funny - I've never known someone to seek the badge. It reminds people of eons and JRX. Usually people want it off! It's tacky IMHO.

All our other JBL cabs are badged.  These don't match.  First gig with them last night, the bass player (who owns a ton of JBL cabs) thought they were QSC's when he first saw them.
Title: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Samuel Rees on August 17, 2014, 09:18:46 PM
Mostly nothing above SRX has them, like JBL VP, VRX, or Vertec, and neither does the SRX replacement STX. I think because of that, some people like to take them off of SRX so they look more high end as opposed to being mistaken for JRX. In my market, I'd say more than 80% of the SRX around has the tags removed, taped over, (or perhaps didn't come with them as happened with yours. I mean whatever floats your boat, I don't care,  this is just my observation of local users, I thought night interest you.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on August 17, 2014, 09:29:33 PM
In another thread recently, someone commented how the orange badge added cache to the lower JBL's among people who can't tell one line from the other.  That's the way it is around here.  The orange badge is a positive eye-catcher to most.  We're happy to shout out "look at our JBL's!"
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Jamin Lynch on August 17, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
In another thread recently, someone commented how the orange badge added cache to the lower JBL's among people who can't tell one line from the other.  That's the way it is around here.  The orange badge is a positive eye-catcher to most.  We're happy to shout out "look at our JBL's!"

I always take those damn ugly things off. Who cares about the little badges...it what it sounds like that matters
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Samuel Rees on August 17, 2014, 11:27:33 PM

In another thread recently, someone commented how the orange badge added cache to the lower JBL's among people who can't tell one line from the other.  That's the way it is around here.  The orange badge is a positive eye-catcher to most.  We're happy to shout out "look at our JBL's!"

Whatever makes you money man, keep on keepin on. Funny how attitudes of clients are so different in different markets, though. Where are you? I'm Washington DC metro area.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on August 18, 2014, 08:58:31 AM
I always take those damn ugly things off. Who cares about the little badges...it what it sounds like that matters

Venues and patrons notice those little badges.  Not a single one noticed/commented when I upgraded from TR/SF to Mpro to SR to SRX.  I got just as many compliments running SF and there's a lot of SF around here both in bands and installs.

Samuel, my location is proudly displayed <<< over there below Taylor's butt.  Basically, BFE.  Tiny market.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Bob Leonard on August 18, 2014, 09:44:19 AM
All of my SRX came with the badge. It's designed to be removed, and once removed the JBL is cut into the grill. I bleed orange, so I leave them on. Don't throw away the badges though, people will pay upwards of $30ea. for them on ebay.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Jamin Lynch on August 18, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
Venues and patrons notice those little badges.  Not a single one noticed/commented when I upgraded from TR/SF to Mpro to SR to SRX.  I got just as many compliments running SF and there's a lot of SF around here both in bands and installs.

Samuel, my location is proudly displayed <<< over there below Taylor's butt.  Basically, BFE.  Tiny market.

 I guess those speakers do sound better with the badges on.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Brian Jojade on August 18, 2014, 11:23:27 AM
I guess those speakers do sound better with the badges on.

Yes, the badges are specifically designed with a bit of a bevel that helps even out the sound and make it that much better.  When you take the badge off, it still sounds ok, but not quite as awesome.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 18, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
I guess those speakers do sound better with the badges on.

It's a "market-based equalizer."  When seen by the public or less discriminating musicians/soundfolk  the JRX sounds the same as the SRX.

/snark, sacrasm, satire
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Gary Weller on August 18, 2014, 12:12:51 PM
Ok, since no one has said it...Badges...? We don't need no stinkin' badges...
Title: What's In a Name?
Post by: Russ Davis on August 18, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Don't throw away the badges though, people will pay upwards of $30ea. for them on ebay.

Heck, Peavey badges fetch real money on FleaBay, too.  Behringer, Harbinger, B-52... not so much :)
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on August 18, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
I always take those damn ugly things off. Who cares about the little badges...it what it sounds like that matters
That's the same reason I leave mine on !
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: kel mcguire on August 18, 2014, 02:18:32 PM
Does this have something to do with when they were made?  Or is there a different reason some have it and some don't?

4 725 all facing forward..Comb city!

Two of mine have badges, two do not. I don't really care.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on August 18, 2014, 02:19:34 PM
I'm pretty used to seeing badges  or logos on everything in life so it makes no difference to me. I'd rather have the badges on the cabs  than not just so they don't get lost.  Not sure how easily they come off - never removed one.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on August 18, 2014, 02:21:17 PM
I'm pretty used to seeing badges  or logos on everything in life so it makes no difference to me. I'd rather have the badges on the cabs  than not just so they don't get lost.  Not sure how easily they come off - never removed one.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Ray Aberle on August 18, 2014, 02:48:11 PM
4 725 all facing forward..Comb city!

Two of mine have badges, two do not. I don't really care.
Actually, SRX722s, if you wanna be all nitpicky. :-p They're a bit narrower then a 725, being 12" boxes and not 15" boxes. A 725 will about fill up the top of an SRX718.

If you REALLY want to see comb filtering...
http://www.soundguardeventssoundsystems.com/mid_size_jbl_srx_722__718_sound_system

Debbie, they are stuck on pretty good, so they do not inadvertently fall off, but with a knife or chisel, they will peel off quickly.

Ray
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Steve M Smith on August 18, 2014, 03:40:56 PM
If you REALLY want to see comb filtering...
http://www.soundguardeventssoundsystems.com/mid_size_jbl_srx_722__718_sound_system (http://www.soundguardeventssoundsystems.com/mid_size_jbl_srx_722__718_sound_system)

Probably very quiet though!

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MID SIZE JBL SRX UNPOWERED RIG



Steve.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 18, 2014, 03:44:03 PM
Probably very quiet though!



Steve.


The picture in the original post is from that vendor.  Scroll down the page and you'll see a different view of the same red building in the background, and the generators... the same flat front deployment, and the placement of the badged versions of the speakers to the center.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Ray Aberle on August 18, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
The picture in the original post is from that vendor.  Scroll down the page and you'll see a different view of the same red building in the background, and the generators... the same flat front deployment, and the placement of the badged versions of the speakers to the center.

Yeah, I noticed that as well, after I had edited my post with that link... very... ummm, creative deployments. *shrugs*
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Steve M Smith on August 19, 2014, 03:00:57 AM
It was the 'Unpowered' bit I was commenting on!

There is another advantage to those removable orange JBL logos.  You can take them off and still have your JBL cabs branded and stick the orange badges onto your cheap Behringer/Mackie/Skytec/Ekho/etc. cabs for an instant upgrade!


Steve.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Thomas Le on August 19, 2014, 09:58:28 AM
Actually, SRX722s, if you wanna be all nitpicky. :-p They're a bit narrower then a 725, being 12" boxes and not 15" boxes. A 725 will about fill up the top of an SRX718.

If you REALLY want to see comb filtering...
http://www.soundguardeventssoundsystems.com/mid_size_jbl_srx_722__718_sound_system

Debbie, they are stuck on pretty good, so they do not inadvertently fall off, but with a knife or chisel, they will peel off quickly.

Ray

Why does the guy have an external crossover and EQ when there's a DR260? At least in some pictures he isn't running them all one direction...
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Art Welter on August 19, 2014, 01:58:39 PM
Why does the guy have an external crossover and EQ when there's a DR260?
Equipment can fail, having a back up is a good plan, even if not capable of exactly the same transfer function.

Also, many people still prefer EQs they can adjust easily to the user interface presented by a DR260.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Brian Jojade on August 19, 2014, 07:02:43 PM
Equipment can fail, having a back up is a good plan, even if not capable of exactly the same transfer function.

Also, many people still prefer EQs they can adjust easily to the user interface presented by a DR260.

I never understood that one.  Once a system is set in the drive rack, why do you need to 'easily' access the EQ or crossover?  That shouldn't be a mid-show change type of device.  Having  a backup available in the rack could be a valid reason.

I also wonder why the heck there are blank spaces between the amps??  With the airflow on those amps going back to front, there's no need for the space.  They cool just fine without it.  Very little heat dissipates above the amps.  The amp racks could be quite a bit smaller without the spacing.
Title: Re: SRX with or without &quot;The Orange Badge&quot;
Post by: Rob Spence on August 19, 2014, 07:28:29 PM
For years I had a backup analog crossover in my amp rack. If the DSP failed I planned to patch it in.

I never use my DSP as a user adjustable device. In analog days I had GEQs for tailoring the sound. Now I use the GEQs in the mixer.

I agree that the spacing of the amps is a waste.


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Title: Re: SRX with or without &quot;The Orange Badge&quot;
Post by: Scott Olewiler on August 20, 2014, 06:34:11 AM
I recently pulled some stuff out of one of my racks. I know I'm not going to spend money on a new rack I don't need just because you 2 fellas think having the extra space is a waste. Maybe he already had the rack and is trying to make it a little neater looking. :P

At least the EQs don't have smilie faces on them. :)
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on August 20, 2014, 10:56:43 AM
Homeland Security: "Homeland Security, how may I help you?"

Me: "I'd like to report a highjacking."

J/k, carry on fellas
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Ray Aberle on August 20, 2014, 11:20:17 AM
Homeland Security: "Homeland Security, how may I help you?"

Me: "I'd like to report a highjacking."

J/k, carry on fellas

OK then, back on topic. :) I removed my orange badges. I felt that having splots of orange was distracting, and they get scuffed up easily. I like all-black speakers that just sorta blend into the landscape, until the ooompf of a bunch of SRX728s being driven by IT8Ks hits you. :D
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 20, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
OK then, back on topic. :) I removed my orange badges. I felt that having splots of orange was distracting, and they get scuffed up easily. I like all-black speakers that just sorta blend into the landscape, until the ooompf of a bunch of SRX728s being driven by IT8Ks hits you. :D

Yeah, I like that, too. :)

We had Sevendust in the other night, Mac was mixing and pleased that we had 6 - 728 per side, doing a reversed box+delay directional array.  He just tickled the peak voltage limiters on the subs and never was into RMS limiting.

I-Tech 8000s for power, soon to be HD12000s.  And before you ask, the 8000s are already spoken for. ;)

Also on that show was an act from Sydney, AU - Monks of Mellonwah.  Very good to work with and great fun to mix.  I hope we see them again.
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Ray Aberle on August 20, 2014, 12:58:44 PM
Yeah, I like that, too. :)

We had Sevendust in the other night, Mac was mixing and pleased that we had 6 - 728 per side, doing a reversed box+delay directional array.  He just tickled the peak voltage limiters on the subs and never was into RMS limiting.

I-Tech 8000s for power, soon to be HD12000s.  And before you ask, the 8000s are already spoken for. ;)

Also on that show was an act from Sydney, AU - Monks of Mellonwah.  Very good to work with and great fun to mix.  I hope we see them again.
Ugh, I have enough cash going out for the VerTec lease right now... I can't afford anything else new at the moment. Haha. But, once I DO have the cash, I have a source for 4 brand new in the box 728s I do plan on hitting up.

I did an outdoor thing for a buddy of mine couple of weeks ago. Crap for pay, but meh. 4 ea 725s and 728s. He gets there, and wonders just how much stuff I'd actually brought, cos it was thumping that hard. Then he discovered the front panel lock out on the amps and was pissed that he couldn't play with any of my settings!

Anyways. SRX is easy to make sound good, but the number of crappy deployments we see is pretty crazy.

-Ray
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: brian maddox on August 20, 2014, 06:33:14 PM
Back in the day we used to remove all the EAW labels from our cabinets at the sound shop i worked at.  That meant we had lots of Cool plastic EAW labels to play with. 

We put them on all kinds of stuff.  My favorite was i put a pair on my Sony 7506 headphones, basically completely covering up the Sony label.  i had more than one visiting BE convinced that i had 'Custom EAW Headphones that came as a bonus when we bought our KF850 rig'.  Funny stuff...
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Scott Carneval on August 20, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
Why does the guy have an external crossover and EQ when there's a DR260? At least in some pictures he isn't running them all one direction...

I would have to assume the graphic is for the monitors on stage. 
Title: Re: SRX with or without "The Orange Badge"
Post by: Ray Aberle on August 20, 2014, 08:52:52 PM
I would have to assume the graphic is for the monitors on stage.
My money is on the crossover and EQ being analog backups for the DR260, just in case.

-Ray