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Title: passive wedges
Post by: Kim Guibord on June 16, 2014, 12:36:10 PM
Hello: I have been using qsc k12 for monitors for the last few years, But looking to go back to passive wedges,  any reviews or suggestions would be appreciated.. looking at 12"
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: lindsay Dean on June 16, 2014, 01:35:42 PM
Hello: I have been using qsc k12 for monitors for the last few years, But looking to go back to passive wedges,  any reviews or suggestions would be appreciated.. looking at 12"

these sound excellent
Yorkville Elite EM378 Passive Wedge Monitor 350W
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Richard Turner on June 16, 2014, 03:37:27 PM
Hello: I have been using qsc k12 for monitors for the last few years, But looking to go back to passive wedges,  any reviews or suggestions would be appreciated.. looking at 12"

Been using the EM526 yorkville for almost a year 2x6" + 1" tiny little thing makes an excellent little wedge, small coverage though
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Brian Jojade on June 16, 2014, 03:44:32 PM
Although discontinued, I love my JBL SRX712M's
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Scott Olewiler on June 16, 2014, 04:01:56 PM
I have powered versions of the EV ELX112 that I absolutely love,they're loud and clear.  Passive version SHOULD sound just as nice.  If you want a good speaker that's inexpensive, the Carvin PM153 makes a very nice sounding monitor and as a 3 way, it's very good for vocals. 
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: jasonfinnigan on June 16, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
The JBL SRX712M is pretty much the go to in the way of rider friendly passive monitors. It's getting quite old at this point however, and while they still sound great I'm not sure if I would invest in them.

Anyway why are you wanting to go from a power monitor to a passive system. Unless you want 2 monitors on the same mix you tend to be wasting some of the power amp power (as well as money). The trend for monitor even at touring level is starting to go toward powered monitors with everyone wanting discrete monitor mixes anymore.
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Samuel Rees on June 16, 2014, 04:47:33 PM
The JBL SRX712M is pretty much the go to in the way of rider friendly passive monitors. It's getting quite old at this point however, and while they still sound great I'm not sure if I would invest in them.

Anyway why are you wanting to go from a power monitor to a passive system. Unless you want 2 monitors on the same mix you tend to be wasting some of the power amp power (as well as money). The trend for monitor even at touring level is starting to go toward powered monitors with everyone wanting discrete monitor mixes anymore.

I have not used them, but I assume the STX812 will at least not be frowned upon in riders that would accept SRX712.
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Mike Pyle on June 16, 2014, 05:07:48 PM
If you don't have the budget for these: http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=150191.0 , then I'd suggest looking at the EV TX1122FM, Tannoy VX12HP.
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Thomas Le on June 16, 2014, 07:04:08 PM
What's your budget? For small coin, can't go wrong with Yamaha SM12V.


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Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: jasonfinnigan on June 16, 2014, 08:19:36 PM
What's your budget? For small coin, can't go wrong with Yamaha SM12V.


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IMO That would be a downgrade from the QSC K12s.
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Thomas Le on June 16, 2014, 08:22:51 PM

IMO That would be a downgrade from the QSC K12s.

Considering that the K12 is plastic, the wood enclosure would sound more "full". Never was a fan of molded speakers...


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Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Michael Gorecki on June 20, 2014, 04:27:57 AM
Compared to the K12 most if the passive MI boxes are going to be garbage (jbl: jrx prx ev: zlx elx). I've recently used the Clair 12am's at a festival for a couple days and they're definitely my favorite small wedge.

I'm sure the current STX offering from JBL is close to par with their 712 and I will second Mike Pyle on the TX1122FM for a more affordable box.




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Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 20, 2014, 07:59:03 AM
Close par is not the words to describe the STX. Better sounding than the SRX, and just as rider friendly. You always get what you pay for.

That said if the OP is on a budget used MRX would be the way to go. Even those have better acceptance than some of the cabinets listed above.
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on June 20, 2014, 08:56:27 AM
I must admit I use 2 EV112's with my Crown XTI4002 and for monitor duty they compare relatively well for the money to my powered wedges - PRX, K series. Surprisingly they match well to the XTI amp also.
 I use them when mains is not as readily available at the front of the stage, if in full sun outside or if being used in certain bars round here where beer spills would be more damaging to powered speakers. I can protect the amp more easily. The EVs are silly cheap but I am surprised how well they sound for monitor duty and how they are holding up. Great for the money- give a couple a try and see if they work for you.
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 20, 2014, 09:19:26 AM
Compared to the K12 most if the passive MI boxes are going to be garbage (jbl: jrx prx ev: zlx elx). I've recently used the Clair 12am's at a festival for a couple days and they're definitely my favorite small wedge.

I'm sure the current STX offering from JBL is close to par with their 712 and I will second Mike Pyle on the TX1122FM for a more affordable box.

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I'm sure you liked the 12am, but they're very expensive compared to the monitors in this thread, and bi-amp only.
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 20, 2014, 05:25:49 PM
Why would $4200.00 be too much to pay for a wedge??
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Michael Gorecki on June 22, 2014, 11:17:59 AM
And why is biamp only an issue. The OP did not specify passive or biamp nor a price range, just what she has been using. 90% of the suggested gear is a step down in quality in one way or another IMO.




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Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 22, 2014, 11:45:31 AM
And why is biamp only an issue. The OP did not specify passive or biamp nor a price range, just what she has been using. 90% of the suggested gear is a step down in quality in one way or another IMO.




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Kim didn't define "passive" so I used the most conservative definition - no built in power amp and internally (passively) crossed over.

When I start talking about mid-4 figure speakers in this forum I'm accused of being a gear snob, so apparently this is not the place to promote such level of equipment.  If I'm wrong about that I'll happily stand corrected.
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Mike Kirby on June 24, 2014, 07:29:34 PM
Just build your own at least you can design them the way you want, its not that hard............Personally I prefer Bi-Amped wedges, much more control especially in a touring situation when you have fussy muso's who all want more, more, more foldback :)
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: jasonfinnigan on June 24, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
Just build your own at least you can design them the way you want, its not that hard...........

It is very hard to design a good sounding box.. Years and years of research goes in to box designs and a lot of $$$ as well these days. this isn't the 70s & 80s system with just a square box  with a woofer & horn. No to mention what band will want to play on a "PA hand designed and built by John Doe"?
Title: Re: passive wedges
Post by: Mike Kirby on June 24, 2014, 10:04:58 PM
It is very hard to design a good sounding box.. Years and years of research goes in to box designs and a lot of $$$ as well these days. this isn't the 70s & 80s system with just a square box  with a woofer & horn. No to mention what band will want to play on a "PA hand designed and built by John Doe"?

I apolagise if I made it sound simple, I make my own and have not found it to be a difficult task. I suppose copying another design may be easier for some and so much cheaper than buying off the shelf. My latest are 2 x 12 B&C and 2" JBL horns, Bi-amped and they sound exceptional but I do understand where you are coming from  ;)