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Title: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 02:07:56 am
Hey guys I'm new here and was looking for advice regarding a purchase I'm looking to make on behalf of my fraternity.

We are looking to buy some new sound equipment, mainly subs to complement out existing equiptment. Right now we have three rooms to fill with music in the basement and right now only 2 Mackie SRM1850's which get moved around a lot. Two of the rooms can get just one sub due to either their intended usage or size but the main party room needs new equiptment.

Right now I am looking to get 2 EV EKX18SP's used for 650 a piece. I would like to get active subs because the setup of them is a bit more idiot proof than a passive setup with amps.

Here's the thing, most of the advice I see online is regarding portability but we have no size or weight limit. It is basically a permanent install for these and we just want to get the loudest deepest sound for the money. Budget for subs is around 1500 tops and used vs new equipment doesn't matter.

If anybody has any advice on equipment I should look out for on eBay or Craigslist that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Len Zenith Jr on February 01, 2018, 02:14:54 am

If anybody has any advice on equipment I should look out for on eBay or Craigslist that would be awesome.

My first question would be where are you? Shipping subs can eat up a budget pretty quick.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 02:22:57 am
My first question would be where are you? Shipping subs can eat up a budget pretty quick.

Indiana, the EKX's I found were 650 shipped used.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on February 01, 2018, 03:11:54 am
EAW Otto

http://eaw.com/portfolio_page/otto-adaptive-subwoofer/


Might be a bit over your budget, but it's a hell of a sub.


Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 03:22:52 am
EAW Otto

http://eaw.com/portfolio_page/otto-adaptive-subwoofer/


Might be a bit over your budget, but it's a hell of a sub.

That thing just LOOKS expensive lol. There is actually a dealer not too too far from us so I'll call for a quote tomorrow.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 01, 2018, 03:30:32 am
What's your budget?

www.danleysoundlabs.com/the-matterhorn/  Check out the video link at the bottom of the page.

Oh, something you can actually buy? 

https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/products/subwoofers/bc-horns/bc-415/
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 03:47:45 am
What's your budget?

www.danleysoundlabs.com/the-matterhorn/  Check out the video link at the bottom of the page.

Oh, something you can actually buy? 

https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/products/subwoofers/bc-horns/bc-415/


$1500 US.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Scott Holtzman on February 01, 2018, 04:05:19 am
That thing just LOOKS expensive lol. There is actually a dealer not too too far from us so I'll call for a quote tomorrow.

He is joking.  Those are like 15k list I think. 

If size doesn't matter you should but some $600 drivers (let us help you pick them out) and build some giant boxes about the size of a refrigerator.

If that appeals to you there are folks here that can help you with the math to calculate box size, ports and things for the drivers.  With no limit on size you should be able to get some good extension.

What type of music?  How large is the room?

Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 04:19:04 am
He is joking.  Those are like 15k list I think. 

If size doesn't matter you should but some $600 drivers (let us help you pick them out) and build some giant boxes about the size of a refrigerator.

If that appeals to you there are folks here that can help you with the math to calculate box size, ports and things for the drivers.  With no limit on size you should be able to get some good extension.

What type of music?  How large is the room?

The music choice is heavy on EDM and Rap. The main room is rectangular approximately 25-30' by 40-50ft.

My main worry about going for a DIY design (or any externally amplified design) is just the lack of idiot proofing. I feel like the built in subsonic filters and soft limiters in active subs would prevent the average dude from breaking things. You know, because it's not loud unit it's bottoming out and clipping...

I have actually done some speaker design myself and if it was always going to be me behind the controls I would build a double 21 bin with B&C 21SW152's and throw 5k RMS at it. Tune it to 33 and have fun.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Scott Holtzman on February 01, 2018, 04:21:41 am
The music choice is heavy on EDM and Rap. The main room is rectangular approximately 25-30' by 40-50ft.

My main worry about going for a DIY design (or any externally amplified design) is just the lack of idiot proofing. I feel like the built in subsonic filters and soft limiters in active subs would prevent the average dude from breaking things. You know, because it's not loud unit it's bottoming out and clipping...

I have actually done some speaker design myself and if it was always going to be me behind the controls I would build a double 21 bin with B&C 21SW152's and throw 5k RMS at it. Tune it to 33 and have fun.

If you can build a speaker you can certainly program the limiters on the amplifier.

So the room is 1500sq feet?  That's smaller than my basement.  Are you trying to liquify internal organs or break up kidney stones? 

Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 04:26:08 am
If you can build a speaker you can certainly program the limiters on the amplifier.

So the room is 1500sq feet?  That's smaller than my basement.  Are you trying to liquify internal organs or break up kidney stones?

Hmmmm...I may have underestimated the size. Let me check
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 04:32:27 am
Hmmmm...I may have underestimated the size. Let me check

Actually it is 25' by 40'. However it has a large hallway that connects to it and two large doors that are often left open to the outdoors during parties which bleed a lot of the sound pressure out.

Honestly I wouldn't be apposed to an externally amped system but the amp would half to be something like an inuke 6kdsp where I can set limiters and a HP filter internally where people cant's F it up.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Sean Mormelo on February 01, 2018, 02:51:36 pm
I have the Folcrum designed Presonus AI speakers and for the Money they KILL...The 18” subs shred anything else in the price range I’ve heard.


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Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Nathan Riddle on February 01, 2018, 03:28:07 pm
Tune it to 33 and have fun.

I do not consider 33hz to be "low" or "deep"

What is your low/deep requirement then?

If going the DIY route, then the Keystone 21" variant is probably the best bang for buck. XTI series amps or a speakerpower plate amp will get you amplification.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 06:52:47 pm
I do not consider 33hz to be "low" or "deep"

What is your low/deep requirement then?

If going the DIY route, then the Keystone 21" variant is probably the best bang for buck. XTI series amps or a speakerpower plate amp will get you amplification.

Tuned to 33 it would probably get down to upper 20s.

I found a JBL SRX728s cab for a pretty good price, would that running off 1600-2000wrms be a good combo for these purposes? The amp I am looking at has a digitally configurable limiter and highpass filter to help add some layers of safety.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Nathan Riddle on February 01, 2018, 07:24:54 pm
Tuned to 33 it would probably get down to upper 20s.

I found a JBL SRX728s cab for a pretty good price, would that running off 1600-2000wrms be a good combo for these purposes? The amp I am looking at has a digitally configurable limiter and highpass filter to help add some layers of safety.

Not safely, below port tuning the woofer becomes unloaded and essentially 'flaps' easily hitting xmax and causing damage.

Lots of people like/use the 7 series, Scott does I believe
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Jeff Lelko on February 01, 2018, 07:43:04 pm
So just to ask the question, why not simply get another pair of what you already have?  Doing so would give you some nice ability to scale versus having a mixed bag of products.  If you must buy something different, Yorkville has some options that might be worth considering.  Honestly though, for the money you have to spend I doubt one option will really blow another out of the water, whereas expanding on what you already have can help maximize your investment.  Just my two cents, and good luck!
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Michael Leppert on February 01, 2018, 08:05:12 pm
Not safely, below port tuning the woofer becomes unloaded and essentially 'flaps' easily hitting xmax and causing damage.

Lots of people like/use the 7 series, Scott does I believe

That's why I would configure a 24 db/oct higpass 2-3hz below tuning on the amp's dsp. I figure that plus a combo peak voltage and rms limiter would make the setup pretty simple to keep safe.

So just to ask the question, why not simply get another pair of what you already have?  Doing so would give you some nice ability to scale versus having a mixed bag of products.  If you must buy something different, Yorkville has some options that might be worth considering.  Honestly though, for the money you have to spend I doubt one option will really blow another out of the water, whereas expanding on what you already have can help maximize your investment.  Just my two cents, and good luck!

Honestly I've just read a lot of negativity about Mackie as a brand and have been reading good things about these JBLs and EVs. Can anybody chime in on if there would be a big difference in volume and LF bandwidth between a 728 box on 1.6~2k rms vs 2 EV EKX18sp or even 2 Mackie SRM1850 for that matter? I know this is rather specific.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 01, 2018, 08:19:43 pm
There is a lot to consider here.

As a general rule, the lower you go in freq, the quieter the sub will be (everything else being equal).

So you must choose low or loud.

Often the "best band for the buck" is the more expensive sub.

The reason being that it would take more of the cheaper subs to equal the same output, and the total cost of those extra subs would be more than the expensive sub.

It is not always a simple decision, with lots of variables.

Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Scott Holtzman on February 01, 2018, 08:32:13 pm


Quote from: Nathan Riddle link=topic=166255.msg1533437#msg1533437 date=1517531094

Lots of people like/use the 7 series, Scott does I believe
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I have STX 8 series, QSC KW, FBT  LA and Meyer 650 subs .

I have never run the newer SRx power 7's

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Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Craig Hamilton on February 01, 2018, 11:54:05 pm
My favorite subs especially for EDM that I have worked with are PK Sound CX-800 which I own 12 of and the new RCF SUB 9007-AS which a local venue has 4 of.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on February 02, 2018, 03:49:02 am
If size isn't a problem, a big horn is the only way to go.

Eminence LAB12 drivers are cheap, and the LAB Horn IIRC reaches below 30Hz. You need a few to flatten the low-end response, but you'll have budget for a few of them.

I expect a good-sized pile of LAB Horns to do quite well vs any of the subs mentioned so far.

Chris
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: duane massey on February 06, 2018, 12:40:24 am
Size is no object? Here you go:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153440701834545&set=pb.756404544.-2207520000.1517895587.&type=3&theater
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: John Finney on February 06, 2018, 08:08:58 am
Hey guys I'm new here and was looking for advice regarding a purchase I'm looking to make on behalf of my fraternity.

We are looking to buy some new sound equipment, mainly subs to complement out existing equiptment. Right now we have three rooms to fill with music in the basement and right now only 2 Mackie SRM1850's which get moved around a lot. Two of the rooms can get just one sub due to either their intended usage or size but the main party room needs new equiptment.

Right now I am looking to get 2 EV EKX18SP's used for 650 a piece. I would like to get active subs because the setup of them is a bit more idiot proof than a passive setup with amps.

Here's the thing, most of the advice I see online is regarding portability but we have no size or weight limit. It is basically a permanent install for these and we just want to get the loudest deepest sound for the money. Budget for subs is around 1500 tops and used vs new equipment doesn't matter.

If anybody has any advice on equipment I should look out for on eBay or Craigslist that would be awesome.
$1500 may not get you much in the way of low extention, "loudness", or musicality... and two of the B&C drivers (I have Othorns with them) you mentioned are way over your budget, but perhaps some of the diy subs mentioned here would keep you closer to your price point, AND know that plate amps do not always have the dsp/limiter you seem to be looking for.

As for the EV/JBL vs Mackie  thing, well... er and well it may be that EV and JBL ( I have some powered EV ETX and some unpowered JBL SR stuff too) make better stuff than some other speaker companies, but then you are not looking at their best stuff anyhoo...

ugh Yorkville powered 21" subs used are an option you may want to check out on the ebay web.

I think you should hear the speakers you have mentioned before you decide as you may be underwhelmed on both counts (low and loud).

I agree with all that has been said here, and as Ivan said you get what you pay for, and you kinda wanna choose.

My next sub buy will most likely be for loud and compact over big n low. Looking at a pair TH-Mini and looking for a cheep used pair of UCS1b.

Happy sub hunting!

John Finney
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: John Finney on February 06, 2018, 08:18:26 am

Sorry guys, so spaces are our friends.

"Space is the place" Sun Ra

John Finney
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Marjan Milosevic on February 06, 2018, 12:12:07 pm
I think that one corner loaded SRX728 will do the job more then good.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 06, 2018, 01:02:18 pm
I think that one corner loaded SRX728 will do the job more then good.
People are often surprised at what proper placement can do for a sub.

It may not "look right", but placement can be your friend-especially if you need "free SPL"
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: John Schalk on February 06, 2018, 03:32:33 pm
I think that one corner loaded SRX728 will do the job more then good.

Used SRX728s in good condition are going for ~$1,000 and a new iNuke NU6000DSP is $400, so you would be $100 under budget with this combination.  The NU6000 has a measured output of 1.2kW @ 31Hz into 8 ohms stereo long term (1 minute) and you can configure the 728 to allow you to drive both speakers independently by moving a jumper on the input plate.  I think that combination would produce a lot of thump in a 1,000 square foot room and you would not be stressing any part of the system if you keep things "out of the red."  How close are your neighbors? 
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Art Welter on February 06, 2018, 05:03:41 pm
I do not consider 33hz to be "low" or "deep"

What is your low/deep requirement then?

If going the DIY route, then the Keystone 21" variant is probably the best bang for buck.
Nathan,
Funny you don't consider 33hz to be "low" or "deep", then recommend the Keystone, which has a 35Hz Fb.

I have four Keystone "B-Low" for sale now, they have a 33 Hz Fb,(31Hz with the "step down" plate) but won't make it to Indiana for the OP's budget.

Art
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Jeff Lelko on February 06, 2018, 09:36:54 pm
My next sub buy will most likely be for loud and compact over big n low. Looking at a pair TH-Mini and looking for a cheep used pair of UCS1b.

I’m a UCS1 owner/user, and neither compact nor loud really come to mind with them.  Don’t get me wrong, I really like them, but I’d think to consider something truly compact you’d be looking at a non-horn design or maybe something like a Growler, or something truly loud to be at a whole different price point.  They also don’t get particularly loud, but in multiples I’d consider their performance to be “sufficient”.  They’re good for the money but still definitely a budget box.  Art’s subs will get louder and lower, and we have the A:B test data to prove it!  Good luck with the search though! 
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: John Finney on February 10, 2018, 10:41:06 am
I’m a UCS1 owner/user, and neither compact nor loud really come to mind with them.  Don’t get me wrong, I really like them, but I’d think to consider something truly compact you’d be looking at a non-horn design or maybe something like a Growler, or something truly loud to be at a whole different price point.  They also don’t get particularly loud, but in multiples I’d consider their performance to be “sufficient”.  They’re good for the money but still definitely a budget box.  Art’s subs will get louder and lower, and we have the A:B test data to prove it!  Good luck with the search though!

I have a pair of UCS1b, and I agree with all of this. I am considering a pair of Danley Mini to be the compact subs (with my SH-100s) , AND the pair of UCS1b to flesh out my mid size (4 SPL-TD1), but I no wanna hijack this thread, so I will start a thread on all of this at some point...
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Nathan Riddle on February 11, 2018, 12:03:58 am
Nathan,
Funny you don't consider 33hz to be "low" or "deep", then recommend the Keystone, which has a 35Hz Fb.

I have four Keystone "B-Low" for sale now, they have a 33 Hz Fb,(31Hz with the "step down" plate) but won't make it to Indiana for the OP's budget.

Art

Hi Art,

You got me! ;)

You can consider those as two separate thoughts.

Within his budget building will get a better bang for buck. Your design currently wins the DIY sub market. Thus the suggestion.

30hz is the new 50hz. But it still isn't 10-20hz which I would consider deep/lowest. Low would be in the 25-35hz range. Average is now 40hz. Just my feelings :)

Until we define subjective descriptive sound terms well just have to ask what someone means :)
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 11, 2018, 11:39:39 am

30hz is the new 50hz. But it still isn't 10-20hz which I would consider deep/lowest. Low would be in the 25-35hz range. Average is now 40hz. Just my feelings :)

Until we define subjective descriptive sound terms well just have to ask what someone means :)
And of course it REALLY depends on how many dB 30Hz is RELATIVE to the rest of the response.

I recently ran into a modern sub that claimed to be -3dB at 27Hz.  But when you look at THEIR response graph, 27Hz was ACTUALLY -27dB from the rest of the response.

The real -3dB was closer to 55Hz.  "But nobody wants to read that-so let's just use a lower number"

Simple numbers result in simple wrong answers
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Roland Clarke on February 12, 2018, 03:25:00 pm
Hi Art,

You got me! ;)

You can consider those as two separate thoughts.

Within his budget building will get a better bang for buck. Your design currently wins the DIY sub market. Thus the suggestion.

30hz is the new 50hz. But it still isn't 10-20hz which I would consider deep/lowest. Low would be in the 25-35hz range. Average is now 40hz. Just my feelings :)

Until we define subjective descriptive sound terms well just have to ask what someone means :)

Subs that go below 20 hz are imho of very little value and the cost in power, weight or performance would be pretty pointless.  I agree with Ivan that many figures given out don’t support real world applications.  I’d be interested for anyone to offer a reason for wanting performance below that or reasonably performance below 30hz at say a -3db point.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Scott Holtzman on February 12, 2018, 03:53:40 pm
Subs that go below 20 hz are imho of very little value and the cost in power, weight or performance would be pretty pointless.  I agree with Ivan that many figures given out don’t support real world applications.  I’d be interested for anyone to offer a reason for wanting performance below that or reasonably performance below 30hz at say a -3db point.

Meyer disagrees https://meyersound.com/product/vlfc/

However there is a trend away from subwoofers in home audio (home theater is different) where excess bass and poor integration lead to mudying of the music.

Ditto with many music styles, venues install subs and well meaning engineers thing they have to create an impactful sub regardless of music style.

Putting subs under a stage is a sure recipe to have a room sound like crap, it gets into everything.  I made this mistake once (in an install).

Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: John Chiara on February 13, 2018, 12:46:38 am
Meyer disagrees https://meyersound.com/product/vlfc/

However there is a trend away from subwoofers in home audio (home theater is different) where excess bass and poor integration lead to mudying of the music.

Ditto with many music styles, venues install subs and well meaning engineers thing they have to create an impactful sub regardless of music style.

Putting subs under a stage is a sure recipe to have a room sound like crap, it gets into everything.  I made this mistake once (in an install).
I had a venue where I had 4 Danley TH215's under a 4'8" high stage...and it was awesome.
Deeper stages are also candidates for small end fire arrays, where I can see possible benefits. Stage construction is important.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Scott Holtzman on February 13, 2018, 01:52:02 am
I had a venue where I had 4 Danley TH215's under a 4'8" high stage...and it was awesome.
Deeper stages are also candidates for small end fire arrays, where I can see possible benefits. Stage construction is important.

I would be interested in that construction for future reference.  I would think that anything but poured concrete would resonate.

Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Nathan Riddle on February 13, 2018, 02:03:50 am
This last install I did for a church I had the contractor build me a double ply glued sealed ribbed box for the Martin 218. Sealed to the walls and isolated from touching almost everything.

Turned out awesome! The stage doesn't shake/resonate as much!

Caleb Dueck helped me get the idea down and convey it to the wood worker.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 13, 2018, 07:45:23 am
Subs that go below 20 hz are imho of very little value and the cost in power, weight or performance would be pretty pointless.  I agree with Ivan that many figures given out don’t support real world applications.  I’d be interested for anyone to offer a reason for wanting performance below that or reasonably performance below 30hz at say a -3db point.
There is more than just a fundamental freq.

One venue I go to kinda regularly has subs that go low with authority.

I MEASURE response all the time that have 25Hz just as loud as 60Hz.

I have seen this with a wide variety of live music that "basically" doesn't have freq that low.  4 string bass and kick drum are the fundamental deep instruments.

I have seen it on driving rock and roll (Ted Negent for example), to thrash (Anthrax and such) to Southern rock (Black Berry Smoke) and others.

There is a "sense" of real depth to the sound, and the overall levels are lower than what you might expect from those types of bands (event though the system is capable of louder).

My "guess" is that the FOH guys are getting "the feel" they are looking for and are able to keep it all clean with the vocals up on top.

A guess as to why 25Hz is so loud (it is the band, not the HVAC system), could be from the air rushing past the kick mic, to sub harmonics being generated.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Lance Hallmark on February 20, 2018, 05:20:42 pm
My simple recommendation for a bunch of Frat guys on a budget would be to grab as many Yorkville LS800p/LS801ps you can find for your budget. Don't go super low but will rattle everything off of the walls. They are a bit boomy but that works well with the music they will be playing (or can be tamed via EQ). Lastly, they are mostly idiot proof and bulletproof plus one of the loudest subs in the sub $1500 price range. One Yorkville can equal a pair of similarly priced subs, IMO. I promise you they will fit your needs perfectly.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Dave Garoutte on February 20, 2018, 10:19:40 pm
I would be interested in that construction for future reference.  I would think that anything but poured concrete would resonate.

Lots of sand.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Mac Kerr on February 20, 2018, 11:16:07 pm
FWIW the OP hasn't been back since his post on 2/1 at 8pm.
Title: Re: Loudest and Lowest subwoofers for the money...no size limit
Post by: Richard Turner on March 07, 2018, 09:59:14 pm
My simple recommendation for a bunch of Frat guys on a budget would be to grab as many Yorkville LS800p/LS801ps you can find for your budget. Don't go super low but will rattle everything off of the walls. They are a bit boomy but that works well with the music they will be playing (or can be tamed via EQ). Lastly, they are mostly idiot proof and bulletproof plus one of the loudest subs in the sub $1500 price range. One Yorkville can equal a pair of similarly priced subs, IMO. I promise you they will fit your needs perfectly.

Did that about a decade ago, college bar had passive sub down because of an amp failure. I  loaned them 4 LS800p.for a DJ event. I think they vibrated about $300 worth of liquor and glass off a poorly designed back bar by the end of Sat night..... I did warn them it was more than they had last week....