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this is how I make it. Anybody else a coffee Luddite?
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I use an electric version of the same.
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I use an electric version of the same.
Only when I'm camping. Otherwise, it's a Cuisinart drip machine at home.
Great source for great beans(U.S. based, although they may ship abroad):
http://www.gocoffeego.com/
Best regards,
John
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I usually go French press, but this thread inspired me to drag out my grandmother's old stovetop percolator this morning.
I think I should have let it perk longer... pretty weak.
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I usually go French press, but this thread inspired me to drag out my grandmother's old stovetop percolator this morning.
I think I should have let it perk longer... pretty weak.
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I usually go French press, but this thread inspired me to drag out my grandmother's old stovetop percolator this morning.
I think I should have let it perk longer... pretty weak.
Coffee from an enameled tin vessel has a certain je ne sais quois . From the days when men were men, and women were too. Coffee was about a means to an end, not an existential journey to find yourself in a half caf soy mocha and pick up the latest michael buble christmas album while you're at it.
I'm cursed with coffee brewing devices, I should get one of those.
Interestingly enough, if you want a novelty sized dose of caffeine and don't care how much it may or may not taste like actual coffee, Nescafe instant coffee beats anything you can get at the 'Bucks for caffeine density.
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Since I roast my own coffee from green beans all I can say is not no, but hell no. Percolated coffee is not bad considering, but if you overheat the brewed coffee oils in it oxidize and turn nasty. I do a variant pour over (similar to melita), and even cool the boiling water a few degrees before pouring into the coffee, ground literally minutes before, and roasted only days before. (Yes I like good coffee).
The worst coffee I ever had was in a diner in NJ at 3am after closing down some bars in NY. That stuff was too rank to drink, and that is saying a lot. I recall one time I was on KP duty in the woods in Germany (Nato maneuvers in the '70s) and we made coffee in an old galvanized pan, like you soak your feet in. First you boil a few gallons of water, pour in a huge mess hall sized can of ground coffee, the sprinkle some cold water over the grounds floating on the top so they will sink. Then pour the brew into a several gallon decanter to serve. While we had to pick a few leaves out of the field coffee, it was a hundred times better tasting than that NJ diner. :-)
JR
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this is how I make it. Anybody else a coffee Luddite?
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THIS (http://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/classic.cfm)
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this is how I make it. Anybody else a coffee Luddite?
I'm with JR and have not used a percolator since I was a kid. It was a Revereware product and I bought one of these a few years ago (Ebay, very affordable) for its nostalgic value. I made two batches and the coffee sucks. It is now just a piece of sculpture.
After it was first introduced I tried and fell in love with the "classic" Braun kitchen coffee maker and over the years (decades, probably) I wore-out quite a few. You could not beat the cost for a new one. But they were discontinued 4-5 years ago, so I bought about 6 of them on Ebay and am now down to two. For me, this still makes the best brewed coffee.
My favorite coffee beans come from coffeebeandirect.com
And I am compelled to challenge Hayden's assertion regarding the caffeine content of Nescafe vs Starbucks instant coffees. Can you back up your claim ?
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Krups coffee maker for us. I buy Peets Major Dickason's 1/2 pound at a time and use a generous amount per pot - less coffee means more water runs over the grounds, making it more bitter. Filtered water a must out here in LA; a Brita is fine. I then usually have a cup and put the rest in the fridge for delicious iced coffee.
Since I'm more of an iced coffee drinker (black, none of that syrup or cream crap) I may invest in this, since our favorite coffee place in the South Bay, Two Guns, does the cold brew method…
http://www.amazon.com/Toddy-T2N-Cold-Brew-System/dp/B0006H0JVW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398870508&sr=8-1&keywords=coffee+toddy
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Slight topic swerve.....
For those of us who drink very strong coffee with milk (and sugar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2NQ_pBysps
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All of the cheap drip coffee makers use similar technology and make very good coffee. The small water heat element that pushes small amounts of near boiling water up a tube to drip into the grounds can deliver near perfect temperature water from optimal brewing. However the heating element is not very robust so they only have a half life of several years.
I won't quibble over the several good ways to brew coffee (other than perk), but the common theme is not overheating the brewed coffee.
Coffee loses flavor pretty rapidly after grinding, so grinding your beans just before brewing reduces that loss. A similar but not as rapid mechanism for flavor degradation occurs after roasting. Green beans can be stored for years, but after roasting it is best consumed in days. So I roast my own every few days.
My favorite source for green beans is http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.greencoffee.mvc.php (http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.greencoffee.mvc.php)
I am often a two pot a day coffee drinker. Leaded hi-test for my morning jolt, and Decaf for a second late-afternoon pot, so I can actually get to sleep at night. They make some very good quality water-process decaf coffee. The mass market decafs generally start with inferior beans. Buying green and roasting yourself you can get high quality decaf too.
In hot weather I will make cold coffee the easy way. Grind up the grounds then put them in a suitable container to hold a pot's worth of cold water. Then I let it sit in the refrigerator overnight. To consume the next day I just pour the mix into my pour over coffee filter to remove the grounds. Easy peasy and no special hardware required.
JR
PS: I use RO filtered water... the real coffee purists insist that filtered water is not as good as having some mineral content in the water. I am not that tweaky.
[edit] you can somewhat modulate the amount of caffeine in roasted coffee by how long (dark) you roast the beans. The longer the bean is roasted the less caffeine remains, while I do not know how significant this is... most people modulate caffeine by ground coffee to water ratio [/edit]
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I'm on the other end of the coffee spectrum. :-) Keurig with a reusable filter cup brewing Starbucks Pike Place Roast coffee.
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French Press for me most days, espresso when I feel like it.
I have been considering roasting my beans, but for now, Costco has the great price on very decent beans. You can get fair trade coffee, roasted by Starbucks (I know, no real advantage there), and it's basically ten bucks for two pounds of beans. They offer a decent variety, maybe 4 different bean/roast combinations.
Espresso - right now I have some Illi beans. Machine is a budget DeLonghi, top rated on Amazon for espresso under $100. Grinder is Capresso, again, top rated on Amazon under $100.
I typically drink it black, but I often make cappuccino when I make espresso.
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Night, in a foxhole. Instant coffee in packets and a canteen; no fires allowed. Bad guys may or may not be in the vicinity. Knock back the coffee powder, and wash it down with canteen water. It's hard to be a "coffee snob" after that, although I have actually had worse coffee since then.
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Russ , we would just tuck it under the lip like chewing tobacco and let it dissolve.
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Night, in a foxhole. Instant coffee in packets and a canteen; no fires allowed. Bad guys may or may not be in the vicinity. Knock back the coffee powder, and wash it down with canteen water. It's hard to be a "coffee snob" after that, although I have actually had worse coffee since then.
Yup C-RAT coffee is far from the worst...
JR
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It all tastes like the worst thing in the world to me, doesn't matter if it's cheap supermarket instant or properly brewed from freshly roast and ground beans.
Steve.
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I used a French press before the percolator and I use the Wolfgang puck single serving machine at work. I use 1 teaspoon coffee per 2 cups of water and just use my nose and eyes to tell when it's done. The big trick is setting the heat so that the percolator works but the coffee doesn't boil.
I usually go French press, but this thread inspired me to drag out my grandmother's old stovetop percolator this morning.
I think I should have let it perk longer... pretty weak.
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Russ , we would just tuck it under the lip like chewing tobacco and let it dissolve.
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Some things never change. Charms, Chicklets, and coffee packs.
I've been using BUNN coffee makers for years now. I like the way they spray the water through the grounds, never burn them, and make 10 cups in less than 2 minutes. A little pricey but worth the money.
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Some things never change. Charms, Chicklets, and coffee packs.
I've been using BUNN coffee makers for years now. I like the way they spray the water through the grounds, never burn them, and make 10 cups in less than 2 minutes. A little pricey but worth the money.
Back at Intersonics, we had a Bunn in the kitchen, and really bad coffee service foil packs. Occasionally, I'd bring in some freshly ground beans, and make that first pot using the bottled water from the cooler. Tom Danley and the other couple of first arrivers would have a good start to the day, the Bunn does a nice job of brewing as you say Bob.
Best regards,
John
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Back at Intersonics, we had a Bunn in the kitchen, and really bad coffee service foil packs. Occasionally, I'd bring in some freshly ground beans, and make that first pot using the bottled water from the cooler. Tom Danley and the other couple of first arrivers would have a good start to the day, the Bunn does a nice job of brewing as you say Bob.
Best regards,
John
I used a BUNN for decades and in the end I couldn't buy the part(s) I needed to keep it working properly.
Not to ruin your coffee buzz, but the way the BUNN delivers instant hot water is by keeping one pots worth of water in the tank heated all the time. So pouring in fresh water cooler water, will just displaces the previous load of heated water into your pot.
As my trusty old BUNN got old, I started to perceive a difference between my morning pot and later pots of coffee, it turned out the temperature regulation mechanism was also tired so I was brewing with different temp water for the different batches (morning batch was hotter). It didn't make a huge flavor difference, but enough for me to notice.
These days I use a cheap electric kettle to boil water and it only takes a few minutes to boil water for my morning dose, and I have better control over the pour-over temperature (I let it cool a few degrees from boiling, but not a lot).
JR
PS: With freshly roasted coffee there will be a "crema" (foam) formed by escaping CO2 from the grounds when hot water is introduced. I ended up replacing the sprinkler nozzle head on my BUNN with a lower (slower) output version to prevent the mess of excess crema in the brew basket, but this was all years ago.
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Good enough for me.
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Yup C-RAT coffee is far from the worst...
JR
I used to save the coffee, hot chocolate packets (B unit IIRC), sugar and cream packets and cook it all up with a couple of heat tabs in a canteen cup for the late night stuff. It was a real treat.
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I used to save the coffee, hot chocolate packets (B unit IIRC), sugar and cream packets and cook it all up with a couple of heat tabs in a canteen cup for the late night stuff. It was a real treat.
You got heat tabs? Lucky...!
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You got heat tabs? Lucky...!
Sometimes ;-)
I reckon the troops nowadays don't know anything about that, along with the John Wayne (P38 for Army types).
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Coffee loses flavor pretty rapidly after grinding, so grinding your beans just before brewing reduces that loss. A similar but not as rapid mechanism for flavor degradation occurs after roasting. Green beans can be stored for years, but after roasting it is best consumed in days. So I roast my own every few days.
My favorite source for green beans is http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.greencoffee.mvc.php (http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.greencoffee.mvc.php)
How do you roast them?
I've never wanted to dedicate the cash (or space) to having a roaster but the discussion of using a hot-air popcorn popper on the Sweet Maria's site seems intriguing.
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...the John Wayne (P38 for Army types).
An essential part of my key ring for many years! Avoid cheap imitations that wobble and rust - the G.I. version is the only one worth owning.
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How do you roast them?
I've never wanted to dedicate the cash (or space) to having a roaster but the discussion of using a hot-air popcorn popper on the Sweet Maria's site seems intriguing.
I have been roasting for over a decade and now have two drum roasters (one for back-up), but you can get started with a pop corn popper. They usually use a varaic with the popcorn popper to vary the temperature.
I started out with a (fluid bed) forced air roaster, while they are cheaper they do not hold up very well. I graduated to a decent drum roaster after about a year and several break downs with my first air roaster. My current roaster is a top of line drum roaster with all the bells and whistles and frankly I don't use the extra gadgetry, so if i had that choice over I'd get the simpler but still big dog drum roaster and save the couple hundred dollars.
For just starting out you can get a hot air roaster pretty inexpensively and see if you like the results. In fact you could probably roast the green beans in a frying pan, while you don't want to roast coffee indoors. it makes a lot of smoke, and the beans throw off chaff, when they crack, kind of like popcorn popping but not as spectacular.
JR
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An essential part of my key ring for many years! Avoid cheap imitations that wobble and rust - the G.I. version is the only one worth owning.
Yup the p-38 was a clever bit of engineering... I haven't seen or needed one for several decades.
JR
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I have been roasting for over a decade and now have two drum roasters (one for back-up), but you can get started with a pop corn popper. They usually use a varaic with the popcorn popper to vary the temperature.
I started out with a (fluid bed) forced air roaster, while they are cheaper they do not hold up very well. I graduated to a decent drum roaster after about a year and several break downs with my first air roaster. My current roaster is a top of line drum roaster with all the bells and whistles and frankly I don't use the extra gadgetry, so if i had that choice over I'd get the simpler but still big dog drum roaster and save the couple hundred dollars.
For just starting out you can get a hot air roaster pretty inexpensively and see if you like the results. In fact you could probably roast the green beans in a frying pan, while you don't want to roast coffee indoors. it makes a lot of smoke, and the beans throw off chaff, when they crack, kind of like popcorn popping but not as spectacular.
JR
Lots of people using this:
http://www.amazon.com/Wabash-Valley-Farms-25008-Whirley-Pop/dp/B00004SU35/
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That is a cheap way to check it out...You can also use those popcorn poppers designed to use on a camp fire (square metal box with screen on top and a long handle). You need to shake it or somehow keep the beans moving so they all roast evenly. Roasting in a frying pan requires stirring the beans constantly so they get heat evenly
if you start roasting a lot you will appreciate letting a machine do the work.
JR
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Some things never change. Charms, Chicklets, and coffee packs.
I remember "enjoying" an MRE in the desert circa 1992, and encountering a package of M&Ms with a sweepstakes - grand prize, a new '84 VW Westfalia camper. Maybe I should have entered...
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I used a BUNN for decades and in the end I couldn't buy the part(s) I needed to keep it working properly.
Not to ruin your coffee buzz, but the way the BUNN delivers instant hot water is by keeping one pots worth of water in the tank heated all the time. So pouring in fresh water cooler water, will just displaces the previous load of heated water into your pot.
As my trusty old BUNN got old, I started to perceive a difference between my morning pot and later pots of coffee, it turned out the temperature regulation mechanism was also tired so I was brewing with different temp water for the different batches (morning batch was hotter). It didn't make a huge flavor difference, but enough for me to notice.
These days I use a cheap electric kettle to boil water and it only takes a few minutes to boil water for my morning dose, and I have better control over the pour-over temperature (I let it cool a few degrees from boiling, but not a lot).
JR
PS: With freshly roasted coffee there will be a "crema" (foam) formed by escaping CO2 from the grounds when hot water is introduced. I ended up replacing the sprinkler nozzle head on my BUNN with a lower (slower) output version to prevent the mess of excess crema in the brew basket, but this was all years ago.
I replaced my old BUNN last year after it started the half pot thing and lower temps. The new model is outstanding and about 10 steps up from the one I had. Price was the same, and a quick call to BUNN will get you anything for any model now.
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I replaced my old BUNN last year after it started the half pot thing and lower temps. The new model is outstanding and about 10 steps up from the one I had. Price was the same, and a quick call to BUNN will get you anything for any model now.
Nothing against the Bunn.
The part that was broken that I couldn't get a replacement for was the larger top molded housing... It was a good soldier and gave me many years of service but it was retired. The cheap drip brewers have a half life of a couple years. I even messed with a couple that would grind the beans inside the brewer, but they were not more robust. My current pour over regimen works and is a down to a simple routine. I fill the electric kettle, while the beans are grinding, When the beans finish I start the kettle, and clean out the remains of the last pot, then load a new filter and wait for the pot to boil. It boils faster if I don't watch it.
I use a somewhat unusual combination of a metal and a paper coffee filter. If I use just the metal filter I get too much sediment, if I use just the paper filter it clogs up and takes too long to flow, actually over extracting the coffee, the combination of metal and paper, gives me clean coffee that is just right... Drinking my first cup of the day as I type. :-)
JR
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I used to save the coffee, hot chocolate packets (B unit IIRC), sugar and cream packets and cook it all up with a couple of heat tabs in a canteen cup for the late night stuff. It was a real treat.
Heat tabs? A pea sized ball of C4 would do a much better job, even if it was "unauthorized use"
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Worst coffea I ever had was made in a Nashville hotel room I used the bathroom plastic cup they give you with your soaps and towels.I microwaved some water put grounds in a coffea filter and dunked it like a teabag to make coffee...........ugh!! NASTY.....
In real life I put a super small pinch of salt in my coffee grounds in the coffee maker.Takes the bitter out and makes it smooth.
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I too am a coffee nerd. I prefer someone else roasting the beans though. My favorite beans currently are Handsome Coffee from LA and Kaldis coffee from St. Louis. Ground in a cuisinart burr grinder and brewed in a French press with Brita filtered water heated up in a kettle on the stove. I wait about 10-15 seconds after water boils to pour over the grinds to not burn the coffee.
I love the fact of how simple a French press is and how it can be fully cleaned, keeping coffee taste consistent. The main reason I do not like drop coffee makers is that people don't clean the pot fully before filling it up with water and pour it into the heating element area. The small amounts of coffee residue add up and become bitter overtime, making each cup of coffee worse and worse.
- Tony Williams
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I too am a coffee nerd. I prefer someone else roasting the beans though. My favorite beans currently are Handsome Coffee from LA and Kaldis coffee from St. Louis. Ground in a cuisinart burr grinder and brewed in a French press with Brita filtered water heated up in a kettle on the stove. I wait about 10-15 seconds after water boils to pour over the grinds to not burn the coffee.
I love the fact of how simple a French press is and how it can be fully cleaned, keeping coffee taste consistent. The main reason I do not like drop coffee makers is that people don't clean the pot fully before filling it up with water and pour it into the heating element area. The small amounts of coffee residue add up and become bitter overtime, making each cup of coffee worse and worse.
- Tony Williams
Kaldis is good stuff, they are expanding locally.
Another great local roaster is Chauvin, http://www.chauvincoffee.com/
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Am I lame... for not drinking coffee at all?
People even ask me, "You live in Seattle, how can you not drink coffee?!?" Alas... Just don't like the flavor.
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Some things never change. Charms, Chicklets, and coffee packs.
I've been using BUNN coffee makers for years now. I like the way they spray the water through the grounds, never burn them, and make 10 cups in less than 2 minutes. A little pricey but worth the money.
^^This^^
with Community "Between Roast" is the way we do it.
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this is how I make it. Anybody else a coffee Luddite?
THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO5RPPxrKeU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO5RPPxrKeU) is how you really should do it.
(I actually use a Melita funnel and a whole local roast - I've been wanting to try roasting my own, but afraid if I go down that road I'll get hooked )on ANOTHER distraction - The local roast will have to be good enough for now)
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Coffee: not a beverage...more like a personality infusion.
Cheers,
Tim
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP48tTpASJI
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Would one of these work to roast coffee beans?
http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/bella-nutrispin-fryer-oven/6000111967520
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Would one of these work to roast coffee beans?
http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/bella-nutrispin-fryer-oven/6000111967520
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It needs to be able to tolerate 400'F+ My roasts routinely hit 410-420'F, That unit does not look robust enough. My drum roaster is made from metal.
JR