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Title: Pole Mount
Post by: Bob Burke on April 14, 2014, 11:20:19 AM
Hello all. I have one of these Cube Street amps for my Busking “PA”:


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/roland-cube-street-battery-powered-stereo-guitar-combo-amp


  I would like to put it on a speaker stand, but it doesn't have a pole mount. Is there an external pole mount available that I can screw onto this thingy?  I can find the internal ones, but don't think there is enough clearance inside this little box to mount one. I hate to go to the trouble of fabricating something if there is one available.


Thanks.

Bob
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on April 14, 2014, 11:29:54 AM
Hello all. I have one of these Cube Street amps for my Busking “PA”:


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/roland-cube-street-battery-powered-stereo-guitar-combo-amp


  I would like to put it on a speaker stand, but it doesn't have a pole mount. Is there an external pole mount available that I can screw onto this thingy?  I can find the internal ones, but don't think there is enough clearance inside this little box to mount one. I hate to go to the trouble of fabricating something if there is one available.


Thanks.

Bob

Like this?
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ultimate-Support-BMB-200K-Speaker-Mounting-Bracket-101180222-i1142063.gc?source=4WWRWXGP&gclid=CMyqrMml4L0CFewDOgodLBgAjQ&kwid=productads-plaid%5E65680375122-sku%5E101180222@ADL4GC-adType%5EPLA-device%5Ec-adid%5E27117850122
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Taylor Hall on April 14, 2014, 11:31:13 AM
Since you're talking about pole mounting it I'll assume the standard amp racks aren't high enough for your needs. The sloped back would make it difficult to mount it without having something integral to the box itself. Making a platform to secure it to and then attaching that to your pole would be your best bet, but keeping the amp from tipping would be an issue.


We've used these on-stage adapters with good results for when we need to raise something without a pole mount. We attached a piece of 3/4" ply to it and then ratchet down whatever box we put on top. Not ideal, but works in a pinch and also makes a good impromptu projector stand.

https://onstagestands.com/products/view/117555/5135
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on April 14, 2014, 11:47:02 AM
Hello all. I have one of these Cube Street amps for my Busking “PA”:


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/roland-cube-street-battery-powered-stereo-guitar-combo-amp


  I would like to put it on a speaker stand, but it doesn't have a pole mount. Is there an external pole mount available that I can screw onto this thingy?  I can find the internal ones, but don't think there is enough clearance inside this little box to mount one. I hate to go to the trouble of fabricating something if there is one available.


Thanks.

Bob

The problem with elevating such amps is that in doing so you de-couple them from the ground plane.  You then lose a lot of the low and low-mid frequencies making for a thinner and somewhat harsh sound.  I haven't really found a way to effectively compensate for the loss of tone and iI'm using essentially the same rig.

If you're by a wall and not out in the wide open spaces you can use the wall as a reflector.
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Rob Spence on April 14, 2014, 12:13:02 PM
Since you're talking about pole mounting it I'll assume the standard amp racks aren't high enough for your needs. The sloped back would make it difficult to mount it without having something integral to the box itself. Making a platform to secure it to and then attaching that to your pole would be your best bet, but keeping the amp from tipping would be an issue.


We've used these on-stage adapters with good results for when we need to raise something without a pole mount. We attached a piece of 3/4" ply to it and then ratchet down whatever box we put on top. Not ideal, but works in a pinch and also makes a good impromptu projector stand.

https://onstagestands.com/products/view/117555/5135

 Busking with a battery powered amp doesn't usually include amp racks :-)



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Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Bob Burke on April 14, 2014, 01:27:05 PM
The problem with elevating such amps is that in doing so you de-couple them from the ground plane.  You then lose a lot of the low and low-mid frequencies making for a thinner and somewhat harsh sound.  I haven't really found a way to effectively compensate for the loss of tone and iI'm using essentially the same rig.

If you're by a wall and not out in the wide open spaces you can use the wall as a reflector.




  I know what you mean, but we're busking at festivals, fairs and in the street, and I'm running two vocal mics and my A/E guitar through the little thing. I need to get it up in the air to cover more area.

  Of course, Roland just came out with a 50 watt version with 8" speakers instead of 6.5"!!!
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Taylor Hall on April 14, 2014, 01:39:02 PM
Busking with a battery powered amp doesn't usually include amp racks :-)

I meant these, Rob :P

(http://www.scottwhigham.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/515rdvq03eL._AA280_.jpg)
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on April 14, 2014, 01:48:16 PM



  I know what you mean, but we're busking at festivals, fairs and in the street, and I'm running two vocal mics and my A/E guitar through the little thing. I need to get it up in the air to cover more area.

  Of course, Roland just came out with a 50 watt version with 8" speakers instead of 6.5"!!!

Bob...

Please forgive me for going "old school" on you, but we played on the streets for years with acoustic guitar, banjo and two vocals...to crowds of several hundred people and a hefty ambient noise level.

We used no amps whatsoever.

It can be done.  You could replace the A/E with a nice resonator if you need punch.  Vocals just require voices accustomed to projecting without mics.

Again, it can be done.
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Bob Burke on April 14, 2014, 02:58:17 PM
Bob...

Please forgive me for going "old school" on you, but we played on the streets for years with acoustic guitar, banjo and two vocals...to crowds of several hundred people and a hefty ambient noise level.

We used no amps whatsoever.

It can be done.  You could replace the A/E with a nice resonator if you need punch.  Vocals just require voices accustomed to projecting without mics.

Again, it can be done.



  We've done it that way for many years as well. Lots of fun, and easy to cart around. We wanted to do more, though. We've got the Cube street for 2 vocal dynamics, and my A/E (and Telecaster); and a Taxi Limo with my wife's bass and our backing tracks ( I just upgraded the cheap Crate speaker with an Eminence 10”). We've got a Rock & Roller cart to wheel the gear around on. Everything fits in the car.

  The sound is much better, and consequently, we make more money. Total wattage: 55.  ;D



(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/DunnellonOnline/Ocala.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/DunnellonOnline/media/Ocala.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Brian Charbobs on April 14, 2014, 06:58:25 PM


  We've done it that way for many years as well. Lots of fun, and easy to cart around. We wanted to do more, though. We've got the Cube street for 2 vocal dynamics, and my A/E (and Telecaster); and a Taxi Limo with my wife's bass and our backing tracks ( I just upgraded the cheap Crate speaker with an Eminence 10”). We've got a Rock & Roller cart to wheel the gear around on. Everything fits in the car.

  The sound is much better, and consequently, we make more money. Total wattage: 55.  ;D



(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/DunnellonOnline/Ocala.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/DunnellonOnline/media/Ocala.jpg.html)

Get a small system like a Yamaha Stagepas, or Fender Passport, easy to set up easy to move around and they sound nice, esp the Stagepas.
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Bob Burke on April 14, 2014, 08:27:06 PM
Get a small system like a Yamaha Stagepas, or Fender Passport, easy to set up easy to move around and they sound nice, esp the Stagepas.



Neither of those run on batteries. We can play anywhere with the amps we have. ;D
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Rob Spence on April 15, 2014, 01:51:45 AM
I meant these, Rob :P

(http://www.scottwhigham.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/515rdvq03eL._AA280_.jpg)

Ah, guitar amp stand. That makes sense. My amp rack is a four man lift :-)


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Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Taylor Hall on April 15, 2014, 09:52:59 AM
Ah, guitar amp stand. That makes sense. My amp rack is a four man lift :-)

Ugh, quit reminding me ;D We just fitted larger wheels on ours and it made all the difference in getting it around, but still doesn't help when it an obstacle pops up that it has to be lifted over. We're going to be redistributing our stuff into an additional rolling rack soon, but not soon enough for my tastes. XD
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on April 15, 2014, 09:58:34 PM


Neither of those run on batteries. We can play anywhere with the amps we have. ;D

I'll just throw this out there as food for thought.  A deep cycle marine battery and an inverter would open up a multitude of A/C options.  (as would a Honda EU1000 generator, but that might be too much noise even tho it's super quiet)

For the Cube, Debbie's suggestion would be the easiest.  Screw on a piece of wood and strap the Cube to it.
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Bob Burke on April 16, 2014, 07:09:55 AM
  I went with this recommendation:

https://onstagestands.com/products/view/117555/5135


For $6, it's in my budget! ;D


  We thought about the battery/inverter method, but that would add 50# to our R&R cart.

I appreciate all the help.



Regards,


Bob
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Mark McFarlane on April 16, 2014, 01:31:53 PM
  I went with this recommendation:

https://onstagestands.com/products/view/117555/5135

Make sure you use bolts, lock washers, and Loctite, or better yet t-nuts. Don't use screws :)


Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Taylor Hall on April 16, 2014, 01:42:13 PM
Definitely get some sturdy washers. Most of the hardware we had on hand was only slightly larger than holes on the mount so any decent torqueing would likely pull the head the bolt or nut through.

Hope it works well for you!
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: David Kaiser on April 17, 2014, 01:05:02 PM
It seems that you have the solution that you requested for the equipment that you have. I love the Crate Limo as well. For people who do not have these amps, I would recommend the Carvin S400D Stagemate Speaker and its companion speaker. 860 dollars,shipped, gets you a complete battery powered speaker system capable of handling three mics/guitars and music source for up to six hours, with stands and cables. I own two of these systems. At the time of this post they are discontinued, but I was informed that a replacement is forthcoming. And they are available used.
Title: Re: Pole Mount
Post by: Bob Burke on April 17, 2014, 02:27:23 PM
I replaced the stock speaker in our Limo with an Eminence 10". Really gave the amp some guts, and my wife's bass sounds like a bass now. $90.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LegendBP1024/