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Title: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Pete Erskine on January 06, 2013, 07:56:27 PM
It seems that the record feature on the DL1608 saves the .wav file INSIDE the APP.  I suppose this is the way APPs work, there is no access to a common files system.  The manual is not very clear on this but does seem to imply that the wav file can be opened with an editor of your choice. 

My question is: can this be done totally within the iPad or must the data file be exported into another computer via iTunes  and then edited there (and NOT in the iPad)?

Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on January 06, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
It seems that the record feature on the DL1608 saves the .wav file INSIDE the APP.  I suppose this is the way APPs work, there is no access to a common files system.  The manual is not very clear on this but does seem to imply that the wav file can be opened with an editor of your choice. 

My question is: can this be done totally within the iPad or must the data file be exported into another computer via iTunes  and then edited there (and NOT in the iPad)?

Pete.......

My bet is that good ol' APPle will lock it down as tightly as possible so you have to kowtow and buy more of their "gifts to humanity".  Then when the glitches show up, you can avail yourself of their "service and support" by being told to buy another, newer device.
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: brian maddox on January 06, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
Pete.......

My bet is that good ol' APPle will lock it down as tightly as possible so you have to kowtow and buy more of their "gifts to humanity".  Then when the glitches show up, you can avail yourself of their "service and support" by being told to buy another, newer device.

Oh no.  Another OSist...
Title: Re: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Tommy Peel on January 06, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
It seems that the record feature on the DL1608 saves the .wav file INSIDE the APP.  I suppose this is the way APPs work, there is no access to a common files system.  The manual is not very clear on this but does seem to imply that the wav file can be opened with an editor of your choice. 

My question is: can this be done totally within the iPad or must the data file be exported into another computer via iTunes  and then edited there (and NOT in the iPad)?

Unless the app has an option to send the file to another app, which some apps have and some don't, and you have another app that will accept a .wav file (idk if garage band will our not) there isn't a way to do it on the iPad.

You could jailbreak it and use iFile to move the file somewhere useful.. But that's hit or miss too.

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Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 07, 2013, 03:01:53 AM
Oh no.  Another OSist...

Not so much as "OSist" (love that, BTW) as it is "why is my audio stuck in here?"  If the app won't let it out, it's badly written.  If it's a device/OS issue, I'd say Mr. Rees has a legitimate complaint.

I use Linux (Ubuntu, Suse), Windows (98se, XP Pro, Win 7 all flavors) and Mac 10.whatever.  They all have their own hardware/executable annoyances and ways of doing things that seem counter-intuitive to me.  That I must use at least 2 of them to get work done is not a hindrance, but I can't toast in my coffee maker, and Mr. Coffee doesn't grok Pop Tarts, either.
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording - NOT!
Post by: Pete Erskine on January 07, 2013, 09:17:06 AM
What a bummer...

This is something I tried to find out in advance but none of the Mackie literature (except the detailed in depth manual) makes it clear. 

1 - Recordings on the DL1608 are not accessible until they are downloaded into a separate computer via iTunes.  Basically it makes the record feature almost totally useless.

2 - You cannot playback from the iPad from within the DL1608 control panel and never when you are recording.  The playback control on the DL1608 is any audio which would normally come out of the speaker on the iPad so to do playback you must select another app, like itunes and start the playback, then go back into the DL1608 panel to control it.

A simple solution would have been to build into the app a simple instant replay functionality. 

With all the bells and whistles the mixer has, this lack of record/Playback capability makes it unusable for my purposes.  I am returning it.
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording - NOT!
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on January 07, 2013, 09:26:31 AM
What a bummer...

This is something I tried to find out in advance but none of the Mackie literature (except the detailed in depth manual) makes it clear. 

1 - Recordings on the DL1608 are not accessible until they are downloaded into a separate computer via iTunes.  Basically it makes the record feature almost totally useless.

2 - You cannot playback from the iPad from within the DL1608 control panel and never when you are recording.  The playback control on the DL1608 is any audio which would normally come out of the speaker on the iPad so to do playback you must select another app, like itunes and start the playback, then go back into the DL1608 panel to control it.

A simple solution would have been to build into the app a simple instant replay functionality. 

With all the bells and whistles the mixer has, this lack of record/Playback capability makes it unusable for my purposes.  I am returning it.

Yup.  I returned an iPad for essentially the same reason.  If you want to use that stuff for whatever use you have to leave all your "doors open" to the corporation to get whatever (limited) level of functionality they've deigned to include.

iTunes sucks.  APPle Corp sucks.  They could be making useful stuff without wanting to move into the room next door.......

Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 07, 2013, 02:16:59 PM
Yes, Dick.

My personal opinion of Apple was formed based on a personal conversation with a now-dead Apple executive, held in Cupertino about 20 years ago.

I won't spend my own or employer's money on Apple products unless they are, and will continue to be, the sole source of a solution to a vexing problem.
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on January 07, 2013, 02:23:36 PM
Yes, Dick.

My personal opinion of Apple was formed based on a personal conversation with a now-dead Apple executive, held in Cupertino about 20 years ago.

I won't spend my own or employer's money on Apple products unless they are, and will continue to be, the sole source of a solution to a vexing problem.

"Don't think twice....it's alright."

.....Bob Dylan
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording - NOT!
Post by: Pete Erskine on January 07, 2013, 03:40:03 PM
iTunes sucks.  APPle Corp sucks.  They could be making useful stuff without wanting to move into the room next door.......

In this case it is not Apple's fault at all. IOS totally has the capibility to make this work. It is Mackies fault for their poor implementation and programming.
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording - NOT!
Post by: Tommy Peel on January 07, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
In this case it is not Apple's fault at all. IOS totally has the capibility to make this work. It is Mackies fault for their poor implementation and programming.

I would agree with that, I regularly get files out of my Dropbox via the Dropbox app and send them to other apps(for example going from Dropbox to Pages). It is a PITA sometimes to work with iOS because of the restrictions imposed by the OS but as a whole it's fairly secure and reliable.

I do wish that some of the mixer manufacturers would build Android apps... But more people have iPads. I love my iPad, Macbook Pro, and Droid X.  ;D
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording - NOT!
Post by: Dan Richardson on January 08, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
In this case it is not Apple's fault at all. IOS totally has the capibility to make this work. It is Mackies fault for their poor implementation and programming.

Correct. Many iOS apps have "Open In..." functionality. There's also this new third party Audiobus protocol for passing streams between apps. The iOS audio community has been adopting it an incredible rate. It could easily be used to add effects to the DL1608. All that's needed is Mackie to enable it.
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Tim Nelson on January 10, 2013, 03:46:38 PM
I've been using the REC&PLAYER app ..https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/rec-player/id501287969?mt=8 it allows for drop box and a choice on what format you record to just open it up hit record slide back to MasterFader and it's recording the main outs. 
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Pete Erskine on January 10, 2013, 06:33:07 PM
I've been using the REC&PLAYER app ..https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/rec-player/id501287969?mt=8 it allows for drop box and a choice on what format you record to just open it up hit record slide back to MasterFader and it's recording the main outs.

what about recording the ins?
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Tim Nelson on January 14, 2013, 04:49:04 PM
The MasterFader software only allows for 2 channels out and 2 channels in for sound and not both at the same time so what ever you have coming out of your mains will record and if you have the IPAD physically connected and are using it for the 17th channel to play music through it will stop whatever function was going .... start music and it stops recording...... start recording it will stop playback of music.
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Geoff Doane on January 14, 2013, 04:54:05 PM
.... start music and it stops recording...... start recording it will stop playback of music.

Sounds like the RIAA insisted on that feature.  ::)

GTD
Title: Re: Mackie DL1608 Mixer recording
Post by: Ron Kimball on January 15, 2013, 02:25:43 PM
My personal opinion of Apple was formed based on a personal conversation with a now-dead Apple executive, held in Cupertino about 20 years ago.
I'm hoping that now that he's dead they'll "open up" the iPad to user wanted features - he was the reason there's no arrow keys on the virtual keyboard for instance :o . OTOH Mackie's lack of playback capability and lack of dropbox and inter-app support is their doing, not Apple's :o .