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Title: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on June 20, 2014, 02:14:46 AM
Audinate announced a new Dante networking software a couple of days ago.


http://www.audinate.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=426 (http://www.audinate.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=426)


Available Q4 2014. No info on price point.


Waves Soundgrid killer?


One of you guys at Infocom, stop by their booth and ask them how much it is going to be.

Edit: I mistakenly posted Q1 2014, it should have been Q4 2014
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Philip Roberts on June 20, 2014, 03:15:32 AM
One of you guys at Infocom, stop by their booth and ask them how much it is going to be.

It's a really cool sounding program from what was said at AV Network world on Tuesday, I'm looking forward to it.

When some one asked about a price they didn't have an answer yet. Via will the the place on a given computer of Virtual Sound Card so I'd expect the price to be higher than Dante Virtual Sound card but my sense was it wouldn't be hugely more. I'm not sure what to call the price of DVS however, seems they have been running a 80% off sale for the last year or more and every attendee at AV Network World got 5 for free, ... It's like they want to get people using it.

Philip
Title: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Cailen Waddell on June 20, 2014, 09:10:37 AM
The last line in the press release - where Dante via can monitor any channel on the network - that's exciting just by itself....  With a laptop and headphones, a wireless tech can monitor any stream... Yeah quite exciting. 


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Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Elliot Sumner on June 23, 2014, 11:21:58 PM
Should be under $50. Dante doesn't support wireless audio though, so you'll need a wired connection to the network for monitoring.

http://vimeo.com/98882638
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Ray Aberle on June 23, 2014, 11:30:51 PM
Should be under $50. Dante doesn't support wireless audio though, so you'll need a wired connection to the network for monitoring.

http://vimeo.com/98882638

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Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Elliot Sumner on June 24, 2014, 12:12:51 AM
sorry, I'm not one for reading instructions.
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Josh Hana on June 24, 2014, 09:14:23 AM
This is very exciting. We just bought a QL5 and a few My16 cards for the M7 and 5D, I'm really liking the Dante world so far. Looks like it may end up being a strong competitor to AVB
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on June 24, 2014, 11:30:59 AM
This is very exciting. We just bought a QL5 and a few My16 cards for the M7 and 5D, I'm really liking the Dante world so far. Looks like it may end up being a strong competitor to AVB

Dante is supposed to be fully AVB compliant....if AVB ever gets finalized and products make it to market.
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 24, 2014, 11:52:50 AM
This is very exciting. We just bought a QL5 and a few My16 cards for the M7 and 5D, I'm really liking the Dante world so far. Looks like it may end up being a strong competitor to AVB

Dante is/will be AVB-compliant. Audinate has some discussion of this on their website and Keiran from Audinate mentioned this in one of his posts, IIRC.
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 24, 2014, 12:01:40 PM
Audinate announced a new Dante networking software a couple of days ago.


http://www.audinate.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=426 (http://www.audinate.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=426)
What is the difference between VIA and DVSC? What am I missing here?
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on June 24, 2014, 12:29:12 PM
What is the difference between VIA and DVSC? What am I missing here?

From what I gather, it sounds like Via will be a host for other pieces of software and can import audio from USB and firewire devices and put them on the Dante network.

Maybe Keiran will chime in here and give us a little more info.
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 24, 2014, 12:33:11 PM
Hmmm... Well, with ASIO/Core Audio drivers, any software can transmit/receive through DVSC, but internally bridging USB and FW audio into the system would be new.

Why did you call it a SoundGrid Killer?
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on June 24, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Why did you call it a SoundGrid Killer?

Somewhere I read something that sounded like you would be able to host plugins on your PC and use VIA to communicate with the Dante network for input/output to the plugins.
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 24, 2014, 01:58:47 PM
Somewhere I read something that sounded like you would be able to host plugins on your PC and use VIA to communicate with the Dante network for input/output to the plugins.
I assumed you can already do that with any plugin host using DVSC. You certainly can with any other ASIO/WDM/Core - compatible interface.
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Kieran Walsh on June 24, 2014, 06:40:35 PM
Thanks for the interest.

I have been monitoring this thread for a while. Most of the points are spot on here... the subject caused me some hesitation... not sure thats the point of Dante Via to be honest.

In the proverbial nutshell:

Dante Via does not require a piece of Dante-enabled hardware to be present in the network to provide clock (although a network with a hardware Dante-enabled clock device will be "better"... oh there I said it... please this is not out yet... I encourage you to try this out for yourselves by using your own/borrowing a friends hardware when the release comes, and form your own opinions).

Dante Via Can take any I/O from a computer and expose it as individual channels on the Dante Network directly. (We even found the HDMI in the TV we were using at the Demo in Las Vegas last week... when we thought of it... obviously HDMI is an audio interface... shows lack of tradeshow cheating at least). This includes Firewire, USB, etc etc... multiple channel devices, and multiple interfaces supported (obviously its not magic, and you will have the normal latency caveats)

Dante Via also exposes the audio channels from applications being used on your machine as direct Dante channels on the network... and yes you can route out of one application to in of another in the same machine using Dante Via... pretty cool for those times that you want the non-OS-Mixed audio!

That pretty much covers it... we should move specific questions to another thread with a less provocative title if nobody has a particular objection?

thanks

Kieran
Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on June 24, 2014, 10:56:36 PM
I've changed the thread title to something more appropriate.

Not sure what I was reading about with the Waves thing.
Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Chris Johnson [UK] on June 25, 2014, 09:57:27 AM
This looks really interesting.

Essentially its DVSC on steroids. On the software end you get much more granularity in dealing with applications running on the PC/Mac, and on the networking side, you remove the need for Dante hardware to 'anchor' the network of computers. I could see this being pretty handy in a few situations, and it also opens up the possibility of creating an entirely software mix enviroment for applications where latency isn't really an issue.

A nice addition to the Dante suite of products.

What I'm after though, is a way to get computers to have primary and secondary networks using standard network hardware. This would be very useful to me when building multitracking systems. Currently I need a Yamaha card to get pri/sec networks...

Can Via do this?

Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Hayden J. Nebus on June 25, 2014, 10:20:30 AM
From what I gather, it sounds like Via will be a host for other pieces of software and can import audio from USB and firewire devices and put them on the Dante network.

Maybe Keiran will chime in here and give us a little more info.

If so inclined, couldn't one accomplish this currently with DVSC and JACK ?
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Tom Duffy on June 25, 2014, 01:36:05 PM
Dante is/will be AVB-compliant. Audinate has some discussion of this on their website and Keiran from Audinate mentioned this in one of his posts, IIRC.

Audinate may have changed their plans recently, this needs to be re-affirmed.
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on June 25, 2014, 02:55:20 PM
If so inclined, couldn't one accomplish this currently with DVSC and JACK ?


Does JACK run on  Windows? You are talking about the Jack Audio Connection Kit, right? The most popular audio API for Linux?
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Riley Casey on June 25, 2014, 03:37:01 PM
http://www.jackosx.com



Does JACK run on  Windows? You are talking about the Jack Audio Connection Kit, right? The most popular audio API for Linux?
Title: Re: Dante Via...Wave Soundgrid killer?
Post by: Kieran Walsh on June 26, 2014, 10:51:20 AM
Audinate may have changed their plans recently, this needs to be re-affirmed.

Tom - Please check the AVnu alliance website www.avnu.org here you will see that Audinate are still a member of the organisation established to promote AVB, as indeed are many Dante Licensees in the Pro Audio Space, The announced one's being:
Harman
Biamp
Bosch
Bose
Calrec
Clear One
Crestron
Focusrite
Loud Technologies
PreSonus
Sennheiser
Shure
TC Group
Yamaha

Of the above the overwhelming majority have shipping Dante product today... in fact to my knowledge maybe only 2 or 3 don't.

Applying this rigidity to AVnu certification (which for an interoperable world is absolutely essential when it comes to AVB) The AVnu website only lists some switches from Extreme networks as having passed certification (when I checked at 3:50pm BST on 26th June 2014) . I believe that there may be some more devices that are about to be granted certificates according to recent press articles, in the same way that I believe some of the above that I have not counted have shown working or have announced product but are not shipping it as of this morning... but "any day now".

It may be that some of these companies have their own "in-house" AVB implementation which is of course their decision. Being a Dante licensee means in concrete terms that they all have an interoperable Dante solution today, which means that should the AVnu certified AVB ecosystem expand they will all be able to take advantage of future networking developments on the Dante pltaform which is not just limited to IEEE 1722 Layer 2 AVB, but also AES67 and whichever new networking technologies will emerge.

Audinate are a networking company, and implementing technologies that are in demand by the market is what networking companies do. This is no different to a console manufacturer choosing a variety of different interface cards, or an amp manufacturer... or a DSP manufacturer... or a microphone manufacturer.......... Networking technologies are not distinguished (in general) by a different looking connector, so the temptation to dig down into minutiae is greater - granted.
Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Matthew Huber on July 21, 2014, 10:03:05 AM
Pretty excited about this. My head is spinning with the possibilities.

I've always been a firm believer that Dante is the best technology out there; I hope to see even more widespread adoption.
Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Ben Anderson on July 22, 2014, 02:31:04 AM
Looks Cool, so does this mean that i could run outputs of a DAW straight into waves Multitrack for virtual sound check using DANTE VIA?

For virtual sound check i currently use DVS to send 64 channels onto the Dante network that then come back into the same machine via rednet pci, then into multirack and back out etc. swapped from live inputs to virtual with patch presets in the DANTE controller.

Is there a larger channel count?  :D

is Q4 here yet?   
Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 17, 2015, 03:55:32 PM
Now that via is getting closer to release (hopefully), I'd like to know if there's any possibility of supporting iOS/Wireless devices in the future. Being able to stream audio from Dante (even with horrible latency) to wireless devices would be extremely useful!
e.g. Backstage/office monitoring
Remote announcements/paging
Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Rob Spence on June 17, 2015, 04:18:44 PM
I, and many others are still waiting for off line configuration editing.


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Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 17, 2015, 04:22:53 PM
I, and many others are still waiting for off line configuration editing.

You're referring to Dante Controller, not Via specifically, correct?
Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Rob Spence on June 17, 2015, 04:27:15 PM
You're referring to Dante Controller, not Via specifically, correct?

Yup.

I don't always have the luxury of setting up a whole rig in the shop and building the patches and then not having time at the event to do it either. If a piece of gear will be supplied, then, now, you have to do it at the gig.

If there were an offline editor you could build configurations for the possible combinations in advance.



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Title: Re: Dante Via...More cool networking?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 17, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
Gotcha. Different topic. Let's not derail the via discussion.