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Title: Pro1 AES
Post by: David Jameson on January 18, 2013, 10:20:20 AM
Is it possible through AES and a Pro1 to have a computer on the network and record the audio? (like with the CL series and Dante)  If possible, what would be needed on the computer side...AES driver??

Pro1 to a switch, DL251 to the switch, computer to the switch.....record audio into software multi-track

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 18, 2013, 11:50:40 AM
Is it possible through AES and a Pro1 to have a computer on the network and record the audio? (like with the CL series and Dante)  If possible, what would be needed on the computer side...AES driver??

Pro1 to a switch, DL251 to the switch, computer to the switch.....record audio into software multi-track

Thanks in advance.

No.  You cannot directly feed a computer with AES digital without an interface.
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on January 18, 2013, 12:13:01 PM
Is it possible through AES and a Pro1 to have a computer on the network and record the audio? (like with the CL series and Dante)  If possible, what would be needed on the computer side...AES driver??

Pro1 to a switch, DL251 to the switch, computer to the switch.....record audio into software multi-track

Thanks in advance.
Altough AES50 uses RJ45 connectors and Cat5 cabling, it doensn't use ethernet. So your switch won't work. If you want to record digitally from a midas device you'll need an soundcard with AES3/EBU input, or use s/p diff with the optinal convertor.
If you want multichannel you have two options:
- AES50 card with 32 i/o per card, either on pci or thunderbolt
- KT DN9650 AES50 bridge. With Dante or Madi card. With:
  Digico ub/madi usb soundcard with 64 i/0 on 48k or 32 i/o on 96k
  Dante virtual soundcard with 48 i/o
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: David Jameson on January 18, 2013, 01:00:27 PM
Had that feeling as I was unable to find much information on AES and recording.  I was hoping I was missing something :)

Thanks for all the info.
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: Mark McFarlane on January 21, 2013, 03:22:12 PM
Lynx AES16e-50 will give you AES50 I/O to a computer along with the necessary drivers.  http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=16  (http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=16). It's a PCIe card, so not really suitable for laptops unless you have an external expansion box. $900.  I haven't used this card for AES50 but I have used the AES16e for years with Aurora16 converters. Rock solid hardware and software.

from http://www.lynxstudio.com/nav/getFile.asp?i=108&t=productfile (http://www.lynxstudio.com/nav/getFile.asp?i=108&t=productfile) :
Updated Information August, 2012. New Firmware for the AES16e-50 optimizes performance with the PRO Series consoles that feature the AES50 interface. The AES16e-50 provides 24 channels of 96 kHz digital I/O for use with ProTools and Logic software. Up to 72 channels (3 AES16e-50) are supported with this new firmware.

...

48 I/O channels available via AES50 Port. Recording and playback on 32 channels at 44.1/48 kHz, 24 channels at 88.2/96 kHz, and 12 channels at 176.4/192 kHz using standard CAT5e or CAT6 cable.

Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: David Jameson on January 21, 2013, 03:25:42 PM
Thanks Mark.  I saw this card but as you say, with my laptop it is not much use.  I believe the way to go is the KT DN9650 bridge.  The price appears to have come down a good bit and is not too bad now.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: Mark McFarlane on January 21, 2013, 03:37:59 PM
Thanks Mark.  I saw this card but as you say, with my laptop it is not much use.  I believe the way to go is the KT DN9650 bridge.  The price appears to have come down a good bit and is not too bad now.

Thanks.

What plug in modules do you plan to buy for the DN? Dante? Madi?
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: David Jameson on January 21, 2013, 07:10:15 PM
Not sure....will have to do a little more research.  I'm leaning towards Dante based on what I have seen with the CL series.  Suggestions?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: Mark McFarlane on January 21, 2013, 10:44:56 PM
Not sure....will have to do a little more research.  I'm leaning towards Dante based on what I have seen with the CL series.  Suggestions?

Thanks again.

I have no experience with any of the high density digital formats so no suggestions :)
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: Jason Raboin on January 22, 2013, 01:33:52 AM
I think you can use a Sonnet PCI to thunderbolt chassis.
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: Įrni F. Siguršsson on January 22, 2013, 04:09:59 AM
AES 50, 48ch to thunderbolt

http://www.rpmdynamics.com/rpm-tb48-io/
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: David Jameson on January 22, 2013, 09:04:09 AM
Mark....from what I understand (which may or may not be correct!!), with the Dante audio controller for the computer, it turns the RJ45 into a basic sound card with an ASIO driver that shows up in any DAW that uses ASIO.  So connect the console to the DN9650 and the laptop to the Dante RJ45....and record up to 32x32 channels at 100Mbps or 64x64 at 1 Gbps.  From all I have seen so far, it is the least expensive way to go.  I should be able to get everything for right at $1000.

I'm sure someone will chime in with a better solution.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: andy craig on January 30, 2013, 05:10:51 AM
So connect the console to the DN9650 and the laptop to the Dante RJ45....and record up to 32x32 channels at 100Mbps or 64x64 at 1 Gbps. 

Recording via the Dante card in the DN9650 is restricted to 32 x 32 at 96kHz. The Madi card allows for 64 x 64 at 48kHz

Andy.
Title: Re: Pro1 AES
Post by: Nathan Salt on January 30, 2013, 09:00:11 AM
Go the bridge with madi, and grab a ub-madi from digico