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Title: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Doug Wolfe on May 21, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
Hey everyone- had a quick question about an upgrade I'm about to do.  Currently running (2) JBL SRX 718s and looking to upgrade to nicer tops than I currently have.  The JBL 2 ways I'm looking at have (2) 15s and a horn, and the 3 ways have (1) 15, mid range, and horn.  Any experience with these in comparison or suggestions/recommendations?

Thanks
Doug
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Doug Fowler on May 21, 2014, 12:18:33 PM
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Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Doug Wolfe on May 21, 2014, 01:06:19 PM
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Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Ray Aberle on May 21, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Hey everyone- had a quick question about an upgrade I'm about to do.  Currently running (2) JBL SRX 718s and looking to upgrade to nicer tops than I currently have.  The JBL 2 ways I'm looking at have (2) 15s and a horn, and the 3 ways have (1) 15, mid range, and horn.  Any experience with these in comparison or suggestions/recommendations?

Thanks
Doug

You mentioned the subs you have (SRX718) but not the tops you currently have. Without knowing what model(s) you have or what you are looking at... it's like asking "I have a car, and I want one that goes faster. Should I buy one with two doors, or four?"

So, sorry to sound all negative here, but if you can give us more information, we can make an informed comment on your current rig and where you want to go!

Also, if you have a budget price to stick under (or heck, a floor that you want to spend at LEAST that much! Haha), that would be relevant information to know as well. :)

-Ray
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Chuck Simon on May 21, 2014, 01:26:06 PM
Obviously the OP is looking for a  comparison between the JBL 2 15" and horn model(STX 825) and the three way model(STX 835).  I don't see how whatever he is currently using as tops or what his budget is matters.

I have not compared the two speakers in question but I'm sure someone here has.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim Weaver on May 21, 2014, 01:54:03 PM
Obviously the OP is looking for a  comparison between the JBL 2 15" and horn model(STX 825) and the three way model(STX 835).  I don't see how whatever he is currently using as tops or what his budget is matters.

I have not compared the two speakers in question but I'm sure someone here has.

It could also be the PRX725 vs the 735. Or any myriad of other JBL speaker lines if he's buying used. They've had a 215 and a 3-way box in almost every iteration of MI-type speaker cabinet.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim Weaver on May 21, 2014, 01:55:50 PM
In very general terms, the dual 15 cabinet gets louder and handles more power while the 3-way cabinet sounds better.

Which one is more important to you? In either case, you will probably want more subwooferage.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Ray Aberle on May 21, 2014, 02:15:32 PM
Obviously the OP is looking for a  comparison between the JBL 2 15" and horn model(STX 825) and the three way model(STX 835).  I don't see how whatever he is currently using as tops or what his budget is matters.

I have not compared the two speakers in question but I'm sure someone here has.

Obviously... without knowing the tops he currently has, there is no way we can make an opinion as to what model(s) would be "nicer" then what he already has. He mentioned SRX718s, but as those are subwoofers... (Anyone can guess on details, but I like to think on here that we make informed opinions based on having sufficient information.)

As Tim also pointed out, JBL has released at least a couple of models in their history. So it would be nice to know what models the OP is considering between, because then we could provide some hands on experience reports.

As for budget, well, he did ask for other suggestions, so it's helpful to know what he is looking to spend before suggesting something that could very well be out of his price range!

-Ray


Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Doug Wolfe on May 21, 2014, 02:47:33 PM
Hey guys thanks for the quick replies.  I didnt mention the tops bc they are just an old set of Peavey Black Widows that I already had and happened to get a good deal on the woofers.  Im looking at either a used set of 2 way SRXs or a new pair of the 3 way STXs.  Budget isnt too much of a concern. 

Tim Weaver - thanks for the basic info. Thats what I was looking for to start.   So, I guess the question is can I still get good vocal clarity and highs out of the 2 ways?
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Spenser Hamilton on May 21, 2014, 02:50:11 PM
The 725 sounds very good when powered and processed properly, with the bonus of having a very good spl/weight ratio.

Have not heard the STX three way box, but it reportedly sounds very good.


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Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on May 21, 2014, 03:50:10 PM
If I was buying used SRX's, I'd be buying 722's.  Two 12's and a horn.  12's aren't as beamy as 15's in the midrange and the cabs are smaller and lighter but still seriously potent output.

All the JBL tops I've used so far are 2-way and I've always been satisfied with the sound.  We do have a set of 3-ways now that will be added for outdoor gigs so I'll finally be able to compare side-by-side. (4731 & 4732)
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Ray Aberle on May 21, 2014, 03:54:38 PM
Hey guys thanks for the quick replies.  I didnt mention the tops bc they are just an old set of Peavey Black Widows that I already had and happened to get a good deal on the woofers.  Im looking at either a used set of 2 way SRXs or a new pair of the 3 way STXs.  Budget isnt too much of a concern. 

Tim Weaver - thanks for the basic info. Thats what I was looking for to start.   So, I guess the question is can I still get good vocal clarity and highs out of the 2 ways?
Doug-
I've got a full rig with SRX725s over 728s. (Bob Leonard on the forums here has 725s over 718s and will probably chime in soon.) You can bi-amp them, but the internal crossover works well, and so passive isn't bad at all. They are definitely loud! Some people dislike the 15"s over the 12"s in, say, the SRX722. (JBL didn't see fit to include a 12" model in the STX line.) I've been happy with the 725s.

Another company in my market purchased a set of 4 each STX835 and STX828S, powered with XTi6002s, and they have been very happy with that rig. Small and compact, but has a great punch to it.

-Ray
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Bob Kidd on May 21, 2014, 04:53:30 PM
Doug-
I've got a full rig with SRX725s over 728s. (Bob Leonard on the forums here has 725s over 718s and will probably chime in soon.) You can bi-amp them, but the internal crossover works well, and so passive isn't bad at all. They are definitely loud! Some people dislike the 15"s over the 12"s in, say, the SRX722. (JBL didn't see fit to include a 12" model in the STX line.) I've been happy with the 725s.

-Ray

+1.   I have same setup and sounds great
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Jens Droessler on May 21, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
If you're talking about the STX835, go for it! If you have the money, bi-amp them and get a lot of power for the two 15" per enclosure. You'll be surprised how loud they can get that way.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Jamin Lynch on May 21, 2014, 07:47:10 PM
Hey everyone- had a quick question about an upgrade I'm about to do.  Currently running (2) JBL SRX 718s and looking to upgrade to nicer tops than I currently have.  The JBL 2 ways I'm looking at have (2) 15s and a horn, and the 3 ways have (1) 15, mid range, and horn.  Any experience with these in comparison or suggestions/recommendations?

Thanks
Doug

SRX725's over SRX728's are a great combination. Unfortunately they are no longer made. If it's a choice between the STX825 and the STX835, I would go with the STX835 all day long.

Keep in mind the 835's are 60 X 40 while the 825's are 90 X 50
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim Weaver on May 21, 2014, 10:48:58 PM
SRX725's over SRX728's are a great combination. Unfortunately they are no longer made. If it's a choice between the STX825 and the STX835, I would go with the STX835 all day long.

Keep in mind the 835's are 60 X 40 while the 825's are 90 X 50


I don't own JBL anything, but as a touring club-level guy I am forced get to use SRX rigs in all flavors and states of disrepair.

That being said, I am absolutely not a fan of the dual 15 two way box in pretty much any flavor. I never get good solid coverage out of them.

The 3 way box will probably have a waveguide on the mid driver which will help keep the sound on the seats and off the walls and ceiling....
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 21, 2014, 10:54:08 PM
I'll agree with everyone with one exception. 15" drivers aren't "beamy", whatever that's supposed to mean. I have run four (4) 725'S over 718's for a number of years now. I've upgraded some amplifers, my board twice, and my DSP twice. I also upgraded my cabinets once, replacing my 722s with 725's and have been more than happy that I did.

The SRX 725 weighs in at just less than 100lbs, however, one person can easily handle the 725, and one person can place a 725 on top of a 718 or 728. In my world tone is king and the 725s when properly processed can sound almost as good as any cabinet you might find, certainly better than any cabinet in it's price range. The 725 is almost indestructable if powered properly and cared for, four (4) will cover a crowd up to 1500-2000 waterbags, they splay nicely and stay clean at very high spl.

I should also note that the same 725s sounded better with the upgrade of the board (Expression) and the DSP (dbx 4800). Like having money in the bank.

I have lately given thought toward upgrading the cabinets to either VP315 or the STX835, the only cabinets I would consider for the work I do. However, at 62 the expense is probably not needed, and really, how much better can a system sound, even to a guy like me who's never satisfied.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 21, 2014, 10:55:44 PM

I don't own JBL anything, but as a touring club-level guy I am forced get to use SRX rigs in all flavors and states of disrepair.

That being said, I am absolutely not a fan of the dual 15 two way box in pretty much any flavor. I never get good solid coverage out of them.

The 3 way box will probably have a waveguide on the mid driver which will help keep the sound on the seats and off the walls and ceiling....

Sorry to hear that Tim. Any reason you can think of? Surely these aren't systems you've tuned.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim Weaver on May 21, 2014, 11:00:37 PM

Sorry to hear that Tim. Any reason you can think of? Surely these aren't systems you've tuned.

Very poor off-axis response. They have a ton of low mids that radiate essentially in freespace. The region from 300ish up to the crossover point is wildly narrowing as it goes up in frequency,  then the horn kicks in and you get a bit wider pattern at the crossover region until it starts to narrow again around 3k.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim McCulloch on May 22, 2014, 01:03:12 AM
Very poor off-axis response. They have a ton of low mids that radiate essentially in freespace. The region from 300ish up to the crossover point is wildly narrowing as it goes up in frequency,  then the horn kicks in and you get a bit wider pattern at the crossover region until it starts to narrow again around 3k.

"Christmas-tree" horizontal coverage.  It narrows in each pass band as the freq goes up, until you get to the next pass band transducer.  Rinse & repeat.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Nils Erickson on May 22, 2014, 05:07:27 AM
I'll agree with Bob here... the 725s make for a nice portable rig that sounds very good; I also prefer them to the 722s.  I don't find them particularly "beamy", and I think they are mostly pleasant to listen to and pretty detailed.  I have 2 over 2 Danley TH115s per side myself, which sounds great for a medium trap rig for most of the music I mix.  Nope, it's not the end-all-be-all, but it is rare to hear people complain about it.  They are not too difficult to move either, both tops and subs actually.  Occasionally I'll add another sub per side for larger shows or just bring half for smaller shows; it is very scalable.

Cheers,
Nils
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Jamin Lynch on May 22, 2014, 10:44:20 AM

I don't own JBL anything, but as a touring club-level guy I am forced get to use SRX rigs in all flavors and states of disrepair.

That being said, I am absolutely not a fan of the dual 15 two way box in pretty much any flavor. I never get good solid coverage out of them.

The 3 way box will probably have a waveguide on the mid driver which will help keep the sound on the seats and off the walls and ceiling....

Hey Tim,

I've heard a couple of those SRX rigs you've worked with before. Like the one at the Aransas fair. 4 725's over 4 728's severely under powered and not splayed (too many tops anyway), will turn anybody off to SRX. Yes, it was not good. The problem was "owner error".

A pair of properly set up 725's over a pair of 728's is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim Weaver on May 22, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
Hey Tim,

I've heard a couple of those SRX rigs you've worked with before. Like the one at the Aransas fair. 4 725's over 4 728's severely under powered and not splayed (too many tops anyway), will turn anybody off to SRX. Yes, it was not good. The problem was "owner error".

A pair of properly set up 725's over a pair of 728's is pretty awesome.


Meh. That's not the only 215 rig I've come across that was nasty.

The problem is, that once you get to used something like a properly done trap rig (Nexo Alpha, D&B C4, or even EV QRX153) you start to figure out what it sounds like when done right. Everything just sounds better on a rig like that. Your mix "pops" into focus better.

For me, it's the same mix every night since I'm carrying a console. It is easier to tell the difference.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on May 22, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
I'll agree with everyone with one exception. 15" drivers aren't "beamy", whatever that's supposed to mean.

ALL cones are "beamy".  When the wavelength is approx equal to the cone diameter, the wave becomes "contained" by the cone and begins to beam.  Larger the driver, lower the frequency it starts.  By definition, a 15" beams thru more of the mid freqs than a 12" because it starts lower.  In practice, this probably isn't too noticeable unless you have a single top per side.  After the benefit of smaller physical size and lower weight, this is another small plus in favor of the 722. YMMV.

FWIW, some of us would no way in hell want to put a 100lb box on a sub by ourself.  70lbs is much more friendly.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 23, 2014, 12:09:28 AM
ALL cones are "beamy".  When the wavelength is approx equal to the cone diameter, the wave becomes "contained" by the cone and begins to beam.  Larger the driver, lower the frequency it starts.  By definition, a 15" beams thru more of the mid freqs than a 12" because it starts lower.  In practice, this probably isn't too noticeable unless you have a single top per side.  After the benefit of smaller physical size and lower weight, this is another small plus in favor of the 722. YMMV.

FWIW, some of us would no way in hell want to put a 100lb box on a sub by ourself.  70lbs is much more friendly.

Any driver can beam if not properly processed, that's a given. My point is that 15" drivers are seldom the reason a poorly deployed rig sounds like shit, regardless of the brand. Some people hear poor processing, some people find it easier to work a smoother transition from upper cabinet to sub. I'm one of those people. It also appears to me that "beamy" has replaced "brittle" as the catch word for the month. Regardless, it's all in what you feel you can work with best, and what will do the job for you.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Alex Rigodanzo on May 23, 2014, 09:54:28 AM

Any driver can beam if not properly processed, that's a given. My point is that 15" drivers are seldom the reason a poorly deployed rig sounds like shit, regardless of the brand. Some people hear poor processing, some people find it easier to work a smoother transition from upper cabinet to sub. I'm one of those people. It also appears to me that "beamy" has replaced "brittle" as the catch word for the month. Regardless, it's all in what you feel you can work with best, and what will do the job for you.

I agree completely that there's nothing wrong with 15's.  Except for size and weight.  And at the Lounge level, when used with subs, I don't think there's any sonic advantage over two 12's.  Every rig I've used up to the one we have now, had JBL 15" tops (either single or dual).  I didn't dislike any of them except the size and weight of the duals.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Chuck Simon on May 23, 2014, 05:38:11 PM
How does processing affect the off-axis response of a particuliar speaker?
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim McCulloch on May 23, 2014, 08:37:46 PM
How does processing affect the off-axis response of a particuliar speaker?

Filter slope and topologies affect the acoustic output of the transducers, and hence the acoustic summation.  Proximity of transducers also affects the horizontal/vertical coverage as well.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Brandon Wright on May 23, 2014, 09:28:52 PM
Filter slope and topologies affect the acoustic output of the transducers, and hence the acoustic summation.  Proximity of transducers also affects the horizontal/vertical coverage as well.

However, none of this can change the apparent physical size of the woofer, which is what I think he was referring to. All of these "90 degree" 15+horn front loaded boxes suffer from extreme tonal variations as you move off axis due to self-cancellation at the upper end of the 15's passband.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Jens Droessler on May 28, 2014, 04:08:03 PM
Filter slope and topologies affect the acoustic output of the transducers, and hence the acoustic summation.  Proximity of transducers also affects the horizontal/vertical coverage as well.
But only in the plane where the different speakers interact. You cannot change the directivity behavior of a single speaker.in a plane by electronics. In other words you can control the directivity in the vertical plane to a certain point by adjusting the processing for sub and mids accordingly, but it won't change the fact that the lowmids will also be directed at the side walls as well as the audience while the upper mids will basically folow the specs on paper.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 28, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
All of these "90 degree" 15+horn front loaded boxes suffer from extreme tonal variations as you move off axis due to self-cancellation at the upper end of the 15's passband.

I call bullshit on this one.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Jens Droessler on May 28, 2014, 04:42:56 PM

I call bullshit on this one.
Of course not all of them will suffer from those problems. A good engineered one will have the crossover point between 15" and HF horn right where the 15" is narrowed down to the horizontal directivity of the horn. But for 90 degrees this will usually mean big HF horn with big HF driver, so a low crossover point can be done.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Chuck Simon on May 28, 2014, 05:05:24 PM
JBL uses the same crossover point for the 725(90 degree) as it does for the 722(75 degree).
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim Weaver on May 28, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
Of course not all of them will suffer from those problems. A good engineered one will have the crossover point between 15" and HF horn right where the 15" is narrowed down to the horizontal directivity of the horn. But for 90 degrees this will usually mean big HF horn with big HF driver, so a low crossover point can be done.

It takes big horns and low XO points to make it work. Like 500hz.

(http://www.audioheritage.org/images/altec/extracts/1978-vott.jpg)
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Jens Droessler on May 28, 2014, 05:55:12 PM
Oh, and also, not all 15" speakers are alike when it comes to beaming. Yes, beaming occures because of the diameter of the speaker vs. wavelength, so in theory all 15" speakers would start beaming at the same frequency. But in reality there are quite some differences. Mostly because speakers won't behave like a piston anymore on higher frequencies. So if not all of the cone is moving, the diameter argument isn't fully correct. Above 2kHz it's basically only the dustcap radiating any useful sound. So for those frequencies you could use the diameter of the dustcap for your rule of thumb calculations.
This issue is of course still present in multiple loudspeaker per passband arrangements, but won't be the only factor determining the directivity of that passband.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Tim Weaver on May 28, 2014, 06:26:14 PM
Oh, and also, not all 15" speakers are alike when it comes to beaming. Yes, beaming occures because of the diameter of the speaker vs. wavelength, so in theory all 15" speakers would start beaming at the same frequency. But in reality there are quite some differences. Mostly because speakers won't behave like a piston anymore on higher frequencies. So if not all of the cone is moving, the diameter argument isn't fully correct. Above 2kHz it's basically only the dustcap radiating any useful sound. So for those frequencies you could use the diameter of the dustcap for your rule of thumb calculations.
This issue is of course still present in multiple loudspeaker per passband arrangements, but won't be the only factor determining the directivity of that passband.



Directionality is not only determined by the diameter of the speaker, but by the width and height of the cabinet it is in too. If you put a 10" in a 24" wide cabinet it will behave pretty much just like a 15" in a 24" wide cabinet.

A little light Baffle Step Diffraction reading for ya....
http://www.salksound.com/wp/?p=42
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Ivan Beaver on May 28, 2014, 08:01:55 PM

Any driver can beam if not properly processed, that's a given.
I am curious what processing can be done to change the "beamwidth" of a driver.

I am not aware of any-but there may be some-I would be curious as to how it would work.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Jens Droessler on May 28, 2014, 09:10:56 PM


Directionality is not only determined by the diameter of the speaker, but by the width and height of the cabinet it is in too. If you put a 10" in a 24" wide cabinet it will behave pretty much just like a 15" in a 24" wide cabinet.

A little light Baffle Step Diffraction reading for ya....
http://www.salksound.com/wp/?p=42
Baffle step has an influence on directivity as well, yes. But it will have a constant effect above the baffle step frequency. So a 10" speaker in a 24" wide baffle would behave identical to a 15" speaker in a 24" wide baffle in the horizontal plane... until the 15" will start beaming "on it's own", which will be earlier than the 10". It is still a difference between sound blocked and refelcted in its way by the baffle and sound being radiated by a source.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Nils Erickson on May 31, 2014, 01:29:56 AM
I believe that both the 722 and 725 are 75x50 degree boxes... just in the "for what it's worth" dept.

Blah blah blah,
Nils
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 31, 2014, 07:26:16 AM
I am curious what processing can be done to change the "beamwidth" of a driver.

I am not aware of any-but there may be some-I would be curious as to how it would work.

Ivan,
Beaming is the resulting off axis (side) loss of frequency, or on axis (front) enhancement of frequency  most noticeable in larger diameter higher powered speakers. Or so I was taught about 100 years ago. Beaming can and will be enhanced in a poorly designed cabinet. No cabinet can make up for lost detail, or lost output when listened to off axis (side). However, a driver that appears to be beaming can be tamed through the judicious use of a good EQ.
 
As the wave length becomes longer beaming at higher frequencies becomes more noticeable hence the reason many people feel a 12" driver has a lesser beaming effect than a 15" driver, and they are correct. Two examples of mechanical devices used to lessen the effect would be a "Beam blocker" sometimes used on guitar cabinets but applicable to live sound. And the circle of foam used by EV on the sx500+ positioned directly in front of the 15" driver. I bow to your expertise in these matters Ivan, however, in practice these methods can and will reduce or eliminate the beaming effect of larger diameter drivers. Of course nothing is a substitute for a properly designed driver in a properly designed cabinet. IMO.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 31, 2014, 07:28:33 AM
It takes big horns and low XO points to make it work. Like 500hz.

(http://www.audioheritage.org/images/altec/extracts/1978-vott.jpg)

Yum, yum. VOT and D130 drivers. Heaven.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Mac Kerr on May 31, 2014, 11:42:52 AM

Yum, yum. VOT and D130 drivers. Heaven.

IIRC a D130 is a JBL driver, those are Altec speakers and would have 515s in them for woofers. The A2, A4, and A5 probably have 288 compression drivers, the A8, and the A7 probably had 802 or 808 drivers.

Mac
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 31, 2014, 05:40:01 PM
I stand corrected 515's and 288's. Getting old sucks.
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: Doug Wolfe on June 01, 2014, 11:46:39 AM
I appreciate everyones help and comments with these posts.  While I am understand the basics of sound reinforcement, I am a complete beginner when it comes to sound and some of the stuff you guys are discussing is way over my head. (I'm a drummer- Im lucky I can count to 4)

Do you have any recommendations for books that break everything down into layman's terms and a general start up guide?

Thanks
Title: Re: JBL - 2way vs 3way tops
Post by: mark lonow on June 01, 2014, 06:14:17 PM
I appreciate everyones help and comments with these posts.  While I am understand the basics of sound reinforcement, I am a complete beginner when it comes to sound and some of the stuff you guys are discussing is way over my head. (I'm a drummer- Im lucky I can count to 4)

Do you have any recommendations for books that break everything down into layman's terms and a general start up guide?

Thanks


hears some utube stuff
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eaw+education

or go deep and buy the book
http://bobmccarthy.com/