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FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler just posted on the FCC Blog (http://www.fcc.gov/blog/path-successful-incentive-auction-0) that he expects the 600MHz incentive [and forward] auctions to occur mid 2015.
If this holds, figure on a vacate date, for whatever spectrum was sold, about mid 2016 to mid 2017. But also plan on new spectrum holders to begin testing systems within months of the auction.
Stay tuned . . .
Henry Cohen
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Wheeler really emphasizes the perfect operation of the software as a requirement prior to the auction. If nothing else, at least they're paying attention.
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So we're looking at ~2 1/2 to 3 1/2 years to vacate and restock with new inventory. That sucks.
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So we're looking at ~2 1/2 to 3 1/2 years to vacate and restock with new inventory. That sucks.
And do so without knowing what the final landscape will look like. Oh goodie!
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Seriously, like I/we don't have enough other crap to worry about...at least they should give us some idea of where they are going. >:(
Bill
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FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler just posted on the FCC Blog (http://www.fcc.gov/blog/path-successful-incentive-auction-0) that he expects the 600MHz incentive [and forward] auctions to occur mid 2015.
If this holds, figure on a vacate date, for whatever spectrum was sold, about mid 2016 to mid 2017. But also plan on new spectrum holders to begin testing systems within months of the auction.
Stay tuned . . .
And how soon till they set there sights on the 500MHz range?
Henry Cohen
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And how soon till they set there sights on the 500MHz range?
When over-the-air broadcast television is no longer seen as a need for the public. That'll only happen when there is an equally ubiquitous and relatively low-cost replacement available.
But actually, this upcoming auction and repack will turn the majority of the 500MHz into solid DTV occupied spectrum. In some areas, this is effectively going to be the loss of both the 600MHz and 500MHz for wireless mics at once. The vast majority of the 600MHz will be sold off the 500Mhz will be filled with DTV stations of every power level, some useable and many unusable.
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When over-the-air broadcast television is no longer seen as a need for the public. That'll only happen when there is an equally ubiquitous and relatively low-cost replacement available.
This has actually been discussed for quite some time.
Lee
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So, if I were in the market for new wireless, what band should I be buying in?
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So, if I were in the market for new wireless, what band should I be buying in?
Right now I'd say "none". Depending on RF where you are, a 2.4gHz solution might work or it might not.
We're needing to replace our wireless inventory (Senny Gen 1, in A and B bands). We're going to wait it out before spending $xx,xxx on wireless that could be unusable in 2 years.
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This has actually been discussed for quite some time.
Lee
And for many valid reasons. But in my opinion(as a 20-something) broadcast television isn't going to be replaced by cable services, it's going to be replaced by on-demand internet content. If we were to eliminate broadcast television it would have to be replaced by a public service of some kind for the dissemination of information(weather alerts, elections, emergencies, etc.). Learning more and more about "white space devices" it seems like a single data broadcast nationwide to all device could accomplish that task of dissemination, but then we begin to talk about effective size of the data stream and guard bands, etc., right back to battling over spectrum. They're already looking to use the white space for "broadband to cows," allowing places that formerly were cost ineffective to run copper or fiber to, high speed internet access. Really interesting though experiment if we were to replace broadcast television with a single nation wide data service. But, I doubt that'll happen. They still haven't figure out how to advertise on the internet and broadcast television is a large revenue stream for a lot of businesses.
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And for many valid reasons. But in my opinion(as a 20-something) broadcast television isn't going to be replaced by cable services, it's going to be replaced by on-demand internet content.
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I'd say cable TV will be going the same direction as broadcast TV too(I.E. will be replaced by streaming online content). IMO it will be a great day when I can get whatever live TV I want streamed online to my TV, laptop, iPad, and phone. In regards to everything that's on TV what I want to see is "a la carte" access to everything on any device I own anywhere; the technology exists it's just a matter of time before it's implemented.
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Manufacturers have already been looking forward. From low intermod systems which can be more densely packed like Shure Axient (http://www.shure.com/americas/axient/overview) and ULX-D (http://www.shure.com/americas/products/wireless-systems/ulxd-systems) to way out of band .Audio Technica Spectra pulse (http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wls_systems/e7dd603ca6147a97/).
They have as much a stake in finding ways to fit in the new spectrum constraints as we have need for wireless. All hope is not lost.
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Learning more and more about "white space devices" it seems like a single data broadcast nationwide to all device could accomplish that task of dissemination, but then we begin to talk about effective size of the data stream and guard bands, etc., right back to battling over spectrum. They're already looking to use the white space for "broadband to cows," allowing places that formerly were cost ineffective to run copper or fiber to, high speed internet access. Really interesting though experiment if we were to replace broadcast television with a single nation wide data service.
White space offers little bandwidth and horrid range compared to television. One major issue may be what system, during events like hurricanes and large area winter ice storms, can cover a large area. White space and cellular service won't cut it as they don't have the range since they are designed to be cell based not wide area based.
We will just have to wait and see what is proposed and what develops.
Lee
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White space offers little bandwidth and horrid range compared to television. One major issue may be what system, during events like hurricanes and large area winter ice storms, can cover a large area. White space and cellular service won't cut it as they don't have the range since they are designed to be cell based not wide area based.
We will just have to wait and see what is proposed and what develops.
Lee
So, something like a NOAA Weather radio then. Or AM/FM radio of any kind. But I guess people want to see pretty faces sitting in nice studios half way across the country talking about how bad it is at their location....some maybe something like slow scan HAM-TV....
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So, something like a NOAA Weather radio then. Or AM/FM radio of any kind. But I guess people want to see pretty faces sitting in nice studios half way across the country talking about how bad it is at their location....some maybe something like slow scan HAM-TV....
None of the audio only options, which certainly do exist in current technology, allow you to see weather radar. They are better than nothing but don't replace having the visual.
Lee
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None of the audio only options, which certainly do exist in current technology, allow you to see weather radar. They are better than nothing but don't replace having the visual.
Lee
I certainly agree that being able to see a live weather radar image yourself is the best option. But unless you have a data connection you're hosed. It could be concievable that NOAA could send a slow scan image of the current radar along with their audio broadcast, but of course that would require a frequency and the band width to do it, and devices capable of receiving and displaying it.
Actually, I think this would be a better solution than watching the weather on local or network TV stations.
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I hope that someday 3G and better cellular internet service will become as "ubiquitous" and almost as cheap as broadcast TV. Unfortunately neither is the case where I live; there are plenty of places where I'll lose cell coverage completely (not to mention data) around here even though it's not really in the middle of nowhere. There are places in Mineola(nearest town with a Walmart) where I'll randomly lose signal. I will say that I'm on AT&T which isn't quite as good as Verizon in this area, but you can't use an unlocked GSM phone on Verizon(CDMA network) and that's what I have(I'm on AT&T's prepaid Go Phone plan).
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I very much doubt broadcast TV will ever go completely away. There are still plenty of people who can't afford high speed internet, but who are still willing to sit through commercials. And it's not like it's hard to get a free or almost free television these days.