Post by: Mike Constable on August 08, 2007, 11:01:25 AM
Post by: A Thomas Lamb on August 08, 2007, 11:11:55 AM
Post by: E. Lee Dickinson on August 08, 2007, 11:31:30 AM
If you're trying to get in to expandable arrays, the Versarray is probably a better starting point than the VRX. This is hard for me to say, as I went the VRX route!
The VRX are a fixed curvature 'linear array,' -- if you are trying to use multiple cabinets to shape the wavefront for long throw to the back of the house, VRX aren't going to work. If you want to be angle a ribbon of speakers just right for coverage in your venue, the VRX aren't going to work.
The Peaveys are cheaper, too... I kindof wish I had gone that route. I settled on VRX because I like JBL, because I got a good deal on an all Harmon setup (amps, processors, cabinets), and because the companies around here also have VRX, and we exchange so frequently we don't even bother invoicing anymore.
I am about ready for a 'real' line array, though, and the Versarray might just be it.
Thinks I like about the VRX? Very simple deployment in a lot of configurations. Multiple pipe pockets for different angles on a stand. Setup with an upward curving ribbon for stadium seating coverage from a ground stack has proved more useful than I imagined it'd be. They sound great.
Post by: Tom faderjockey Brandis on August 08, 2007, 12:14:15 PM
Just some food for thought.
I'm a happy owner of a Versarray system. If you're not far from Baltimore I'd be more then happy to demo it to you.
Cheers,
Tom in Baltimore
Post by: Jeff Babcock on August 08, 2007, 12:29:57 PM
As others have said, don't expect 2 boxes/side to give you enough overall output on larger gigs. It would work fine for smaller or low volume gigs, just don't expect to get "line array" effect with that many boxes. And really you can't expect to do those size of shows anyway with your existing subs. Keep in mind also the amp requirements for these. They are fairly power hungry for their size so once you get into 3 or more per side plus subs you're going to be hard pressed to run without a distro. If you want to keep to a small number of boxes with high output you might be better served by something like Community SLS920's or similar. Those will give more output and be easier on your amplifier requirements.
The Versarray are great boxes but probably not what you really need.
Jeff
Post by: Gerry Tacker on August 08, 2007, 12:42:30 PM
Post by: Jeff Babcock on August 08, 2007, 12:45:07 PM
Post by: Mike Constable on August 09, 2007, 03:37:38 PM
Currently I have two three way cabs stuffed with all Eminence
PSD2002
beta 12"
Kappa Pro 15"
I was thinking of getting more of the birch boxes and use 2-4 boxes a side for mains and use my existing 4 w-bins and either add bins or dual 18s. Of course I will be adding amps and possibly thinking of PV cs series.
Thoughts?
Post by: Jeff Babcock on August 10, 2007, 12:37:46 PM
Cheers
Jeff
Post by: Tate_Tullis on August 10, 2007, 12:54:14 PM
Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on August 10, 2007, 01:08:22 PM
| Tate Tullis wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 09:54 |
ok, so i talked to the local sound guy here and he said stay away from both of them. |
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He said that the Peavey ones have no output at all but the VRX are a little better. |
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I of course have no idea becuase ive never used both. Anyone know. would either of the series work for clubs with 3 per side, maybe 400 people indoors to 700 outdoors? |
Post by: Tom faderjockey Brandis on August 10, 2007, 01:11:46 PM
We have some very knowledgeable and experienced guys here on LAB that have used the VR system and love it. I don't know what your local guys setup is, but if it's 3 boxes per side and he's trying to do 2000 people, well what do expect, that's not enough rig for the gig. Look at the road test section on the Versarray. Lot's of input from many there.
Tom in Baltimore
Post by: Rob Burgess on August 10, 2007, 01:12:48 PM
| Tate Tullis wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 12:54 |
ok, so i talked to the local sound guy here and he said stay away from both of them. |
Might I suggest you get a second opinion? Better yet, get a first opinion that isn't completely full of shit. Then get a second opinion.
| Tate Tullis wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 12:54 |
He said that the Peavey ones have no output at all |
Yeah, they're being used at Ozzfest because they suck and don't put out much sound.
--
Rob
Post by: Tate_Tullis on August 10, 2007, 01:16:31 PM
| Tate Tullis wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 09:54 |
ok, so i talked to the local sound guy here and he said stay away from both of them. |
yea, theres only one big sound company here. but im still looking at the Versarray system. i can always expand it too which is a thing i like. well i guess i can expand anything but whatever
Post by: Mac Kerr on August 10, 2007, 01:16:35 PM
| Tate Tullis wrote on Fri, 10 August 2007 12:54 |
ok, so i talked to the local sound guy here and he said stay away from both of them. He said that the Peavey ones have no output at all but the VRX are a little better. |
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I of course have no idea becuase ive never used both. Anyone know. would either of the series work for clubs with 3 per side, maybe 400 people indoors to 700 outdoors? |
Mac
Post by: Jeff Babcock on August 10, 2007, 01:18:17 PM
Yes they MUST be "a little better" because everybody knows that a JBL logo makes it sound better than anything Peavey could ever make before you even actually hear the product!.... What a joke, this guy must really know his stuff.
Post by: Alfred_Mapanao on August 10, 2007, 03:40:38 PM
Post by: Don Boomer on August 11, 2007, 08:15:47 AM
Post by: Doug Fowler on August 12, 2007, 01:55:48 PM
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ok, so i talked to the local sound guy here and he said stay away from both of them |
Time to find a new guy.....
Post by: Tom faderjockey Brandis on August 12, 2007, 09:15:57 PM
Tom
Post by: Don Lanier on August 13, 2007, 04:29:58 AM
It just gets back to bashing gear( Its Peavey ) instead of stating facts, statistics and real information, opinion is just your opinion, But dont quote some sound guy that has never heard or seen the system. Go to Ozzfest and tell them that the system has no output !! The Versarray is an impressive product that does a very good job and allows you to have the true line array, with Ribbons. The VRX due to its design is limited in its ability to use more then three boxes, unless your using as fill for the cheap seats or straight down.
For the users that need these and want to have this type of system its a very cost effective way to enter the Line Array market. Performance is there to match best of all its Affordable, Scalable, Flyable gear.
Post by: Bob Leonard on August 14, 2007, 10:56:36 AM
Very true indeed. I'm pretty well known as being brand loyal to JBL. I don't know why,
but that being the case I had an opportunity to listen to a Versarray the other day a I was very impressed with the volume, build quality and tone. I'll also say that they give the VRX a good run for the money and it would be a tough decision to make in a side by side comparison test. I tend to like the sound of the JBL drivers a little more, but that's always going to be subjective and based on the listening individual. There ya go, I tried to disguise it, but I like the Peavey system.
Post by: Jeff Babcock on August 14, 2007, 11:59:44 AM
See, the buzz about these isn't all talk! These fill the gap that VRX leaves once you get beyond 3 boxes/side. Not to mention they are considerably cheaper. I'm just looking for an excuse to pick some up. Apparently the subs are no slouch either.
Post by: Ryan McLeod on August 14, 2007, 01:57:04 PM
Lift on three.......
R.
Post by: Jeff Babcock on August 14, 2007, 04:47:47 PM
but hey sometime when I'm in your area maybe I can catch a show you're doing and get to hear the full rig.... I haven't heard a large hang of these yet, just a pair.