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 on: Today at 02:33:09 pm 
Started by Pete Erskine - Last post by Stephen Kirby
Just how many attributes do you think there are to an electrical signal?
Ah, there's the rub.  Looking at audio as a steady state electrical signal.

Check out the Smaart graphs posted online for every very good systems and note the number of phase wraps.  Someone with an RTA can swear up and down all day long that the systems measure perfectly.  Yet people who use their ears can detect differences.  I'm reminded of digital audio before the high end community got people to look into timing and jitter.

The nature of audio is that it is dynamic and requires coherence, linearity or uniformity, whatever you want to call it, over a very wide bandwidth.  It can't be treated as an isolated steady state single electrical signal.

I don't hear any difference with ebony hockey pucks on otherwise soundly designed gear, or some of the other audiophilia madness bandied about, but I don't unilaterally dismiss things where I can hear a difference, even though I can't measure it with an Audio Precision.

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 on: Today at 02:16:41 pm 
Started by Mike Sokol - Last post by John Roberts {JR}
OK sounds like an universal switcher.... The first one of those I did (last century) was used in a higher end monitor mixer, that was low volume and higher priced so it made more sense. Now I suspect the cost of a universal PS are much lower, probably low enough to standardize on just one PS for all products.

For some inside baseball, when I was researching the desirability of using universal PS in Peavey products some of the international distributors didn't like the idea... Especially the distributor for South America who had both 120V and 240V countries inside his territory. He was worried about gray market transhipping, where say a big dealer in a 120V country could sell goods unofficially into the 240V country and vice-versa harming the integrity of the different dealer's exclusive territories.

I am afraid to even think about how tangled up it is now...  ::)  When we started making drums in China, we discovered that some had walked out the factory back door and ended up in Italy of all countries... Trust but verify or in other words don't trust.  8)

JR

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 on: Today at 02:13:35 pm 
Started by Joseph Amodeo - Last post by Chris Grimshaw

along with some combo amps for bass, guitar, etc...

Please, no.

Go back and read what I said about this. I promise it's just a bad idea, unless you've found some magical way of making a guitar amp spread its sound evenly around a venue that doesn't involve micing it and putting it through a speaker system that's the right tool for the job.

I've argued this with guitarists before. One of them insisted on using his 1x12" combo, no mics allowed. It was sat on the floor facing forwards.
The front row's knees probably heard it, but it was almost entirely inaudible at the back. Seriously.
The rest of the instruments (going through the PA) were heard just fine everywhere.

Chris

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 on: Today at 02:11:43 pm 
Started by Mike Sokol - Last post by Mike Sokol
Saw this on the ESD (Electric Shock Drowning) news feed. But I still don't know how you can suffer electrical burns from a water/shock incident. I don't think there's enough current to cause tissue damage unless you contact the wiring directly.

Mike Sokol

UPDATE: 3:30 p.m.

April Brooks was waiting inside for her husband, Cameron, to take a quick dip in their pond when she realized it was taking too long. “I saw his arm hanging over the embankment. I ran over to see him in a paralyzed state,” said April. She ran over and asked what happened, but all he could say was that he was sorry and their dogs were dead. When Brooks realized what had happened, she called 911 and her husband was airlifted to Kelowna General Hospital.

Once at the hospital, he told her he was going to clear a pump of debris and let their two dogs swim. One dog jumped in, yelped and went stiff moments before Cameron and the other dog were jumping mid-air into the same water. “He was on his hands and knees in the water, inches from his chest, when he was able to ... crawl his way up our driveway and embankment,” recalls Brooks. Her husband is recovering in hospital, and she said he is very stiff, and has bruises and burns to his legs.

“My heart hurts for him in those moments. I honestly can't imagine what he was thinking,” she said. “I'm glad our toddler was napping from his day at the Armstrong pool and hadn't gone down with him, or this could have been very, very bad.” Brooks thanked the Armstrong firefighters who responded to the incident. “The doctors and investigators have said they have no idea how he survived, and with all his body parts intact,” she said.

ORIGINAL: 1:36 p.m.

An Armstrong man is lucky to be alive after suffering severe electrical burns while trying to save his two dogs on Sunday.
The man, in his 20s, was walking his animals on the 4000 block of Schubert Road in Armstrong when the dogs bounded into a small creek, said Armstrong/Spallumcheen Fire Chief Ian Cummings. "There was a submersible pump in the creek and when the dogs jumped in they were immediately electrocuted," said Cummings. "The man waded up to his thighs trying to rescue the dogs but was overcome by electricity." The fire chief said it was amazing the victim was able to get out of the water and crawl up the bank where his wife found him some time later. She called emergency services.

"He was medivaced to Kelowna General Hospital and was released later that night. He has burns to his legs. He was amazingly lucky to get out of that water alive." The two dogs did not survive, said Cummings.

Cummings and representatives from the BC Safety Authority were at the site Monday morning. "I believe there are issues with the wiring of the pump," said Cummings, who added the site was on private land.

- with files from Kate Bouey

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 on: Today at 02:06:56 pm 
Started by Mike Sokol - Last post by Mike Sokol
We're not in the UK :)...

Oh I see. But who would run a little mixing board like that on 240 volts in the USA?  ;D

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 on: Today at 02:05:44 pm 
Started by Mike Sokol - Last post by Stephen Swaffer
Not in the UK. It would have a neutral and a single hot, but the hot would be around 230 volts above the neutral and ground.

We're not in the UK :)...

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 on: Today at 01:48:54 pm 
Started by Joseph Amodeo - Last post by Lance Hallmark
Ahhhh, where to start.Good, get that foldup wall thingy. It will really help to improve your sound!
(Fixed the spelling error)
Well, "band not using a PA amplifier" =/= "requirement to use active speakers." Just so you know. As a professional (giggles) sound provider (snorts), you provide what you provide- whether it's passive or active. Which one is better for you? Well, it depends on your skill set and how competent you are in ensuring that the protection for a passive rig is sufficient. Sometimes, you get boxes (think JBL VerTec and presets for the Crown I-Tech HD amplifiers) that make the process simple for you. Other times, you get to work out appropriate limiting yourself. With active speakers, true, a lot of that guess work has been taken care of for you, but if one were to die during a show, it's easier to swap out an amp channel at the amp rack than it would be to replace an entire speaker. [And especially if the speakers are flown!!]

To be absolutely blunt, if I was in your shoes, I would focus on getting the basics of live sound down before playing with effects and recording. Just a thought.
So no way to adjust the balance of the various drums? Wooooo!
I suspect if these were the Beatles, you wouldn't be their first call for mix engineer...

But really. That statement was non-sensical. PLENTY of regular "average, All-American Bands" use more than 2 vocals... Just saying.
So you'll need DI boxes/mics for these as well. A "regular" mic/DI package can easily be $2k. [Think 4 SM58s, 4 SM57s, couple of mono passive DIs, couple of stereo passive DIs, 2-3 drum mics, couple of condensers for overheads, a kick mic. That's $2200 or so if you get everything at street price, Raidal DIs, Sennheiser drum clip mics, couple of e614s for OH, a Beta52A for kick.]
... and you've been given suggestions multiple times as to what speakers to purchase. Just the one thing: they're not $175 each. Maybe this is our fault, and no one has been candid enough to state this: If you want to make *one* purchase that will last you for 3-5+ years, then you're not going to accomplish that for $175 each. It's just not going to happen. As they say, fast, good, and cheap- pick any two. Yes, there are $175 speakers out there. But the quality won't be what you're looking for. Will they survive? Maybe. That depends on your skills as the operator. No speaker is 100% bullet-proof. But, similarly, no speaker is 100% guaranteed to not last more than one show.

Here's my thought: Take a day or two and reflect on everything you've been told. And then, start a new thread and let's hash out a realistic plan of a) what you need to get and b) how much you can spend to accomplish this. Let us know what EXACTLY you have now (speakers, amps, mics, stands, XLR/Speakon cabling, wedges, consoles, etc). Then we can create a list prioritizing your purchase needs.

-Ray

Something else for thought..
If I was out on a night off and listening to music (live or DJ) I would not stay more than 30 minutes no matter how good the artist is, because of the terrible sound that $150 speakers put out, especially when being over driven, as they usually are. You don't have to be running a $20k+ rig but it at least has to sound decent. Real bad audio will only hurt what you are trying to do by driving people away because of the harshness, distortion, etc...

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 on: Today at 01:37:26 pm 
Started by Joseph Amodeo - Last post by dick rees
"...and ice cream castles in the air..."

...Joanie Mitchell

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 on: Today at 01:30:50 pm 
Started by Joseph Amodeo - Last post by Ray Aberle
Ahhhh, where to start.
i have a numark ns7 with a laptop and an odyssey case, stands etc... hoping to get a foldup wall thingy djs use...
Good, get that foldup wall thingy. It will really help to improve your sound!

for bands not using a pa amplifier..... hence the discussion is about active speakers...  i have a mackie onyx 1640i analog mixer with firewire connection to a laptop to ableton for effects and the option of recording gigs... the output from the computer is 16 channels not just 2 stereo outputs... so you can send all 16 tracks into and out of the laptop to be routed however you want from the mixer to whatever buses and speakers you decide...
(Fixed the spelling error)
Well, "band not using a PA amplifier" =/= "requirement to use active speakers." Just so you know. As a professional (giggles) sound provider (snorts), you provide what you provide- whether it's passive or active. Which one is better for you? Well, it depends on your skill set and how competent you are in ensuring that the protection for a passive rig is sufficient. Sometimes, you get boxes (think JBL VerTec and presets for the Crown I-Tech HD amplifiers) that make the process simple for you. Other times, you get to work out appropriate limiting yourself. With active speakers, true, a lot of that guess work has been taken care of for you, but if one were to die during a show, it's easier to swap out an amp channel at the amp rack than it would be to replace an entire speaker. [And especially if the speakers are flown!!]

To be absolutely blunt, if I was in your shoes, I would focus on getting the basics of live sound down before playing with effects and recording. Just a thought.

im using an electronic drum set so no need to mic drums it just gets plugged directly into the mixer...
So no way to adjust the balance of the various drums? Wooooo!

i have 2 vocal mics for singers... probably not gonna use more than that we're not the beatles... 
I suspect if these were the Beatles, you wouldn't be their first call for mix engineer...

But really. That statement was non-sensical. PLENTY of regular "average, All-American Bands" use more than 2 vocals... Just saying.

along with some combo amps for bass, guitar, etc...
So you'll need DI boxes/mics for these as well. A "regular" mic/DI package can easily be $2k. [Think 4 SM58s, 4 SM57s, couple of mono passive DIs, couple of stereo passive DIs, 2-3 drum mics, couple of condensers for overheads, a kick mic. That's $2200 or so if you get everything at street price, Raidal DIs, Sennheiser drum clip mics, couple of e614s for OH, a Beta52A for kick.]

like i said im looking for mains that are GREAT for treble and mids... im getting a subwoofer... so it seems pointless to be worrying about the bass on the mains... id rather sacrifice that fully for something with amazing treble and clarity...
... and you've been given suggestions multiple times as to what speakers to purchase. Just the one thing: they're not $175 each. Maybe this is our fault, and no one has been candid enough to state this: If you want to make *one* purchase that will last you for 3-5+ years, then you're not going to accomplish that for $175 each. It's just not going to happen. As they say, fast, good, and cheap- pick any two. Yes, there are $175 speakers out there. But the quality won't be what you're looking for. Will they survive? Maybe. That depends on your skills as the operator. No speaker is 100% bullet-proof. But, similarly, no speaker is 100% guaranteed to not last more than one show.

Here's my thought: Take a day or two and reflect on everything you've been told. And then, start a new thread and let's hash out a realistic plan of a) what you need to get and b) how much you can spend to accomplish this. Let us know what EXACTLY you have now (speakers, amps, mics, stands, XLR/Speakon cabling, wedges, consoles, etc). Then we can create a list prioritizing your purchase needs.

-Ray

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 on: Today at 12:43:50 pm 
Started by Jean-Pierre Coetzee - Last post by Jean-Pierre Coetzee
Am I missing something here?

I want to insert the amp modeler on bass then chain it through to the Fairchild compressor but doesn't look like I can do that.

I use the main Comp to side chain to the kick.


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